Episode 4: Democracy or a Magic Kingdom (with Jay Kogen)

When you wish upon a star, wish for civility to come back to America’s politics! The guys are joined by television writer and comedian Jay Kogen to bring some philosophy, and laughs, into the studio. They talk about Walt Disney, and how he chose the greatest American to ever live, Abe Lincoln, to represent America in Jonathan’s favorite Disneyland attraction as a kid. Lincoln believed so much in the story of America and a nearly mythological ideal of what it could be, just as Main Street U.S.A. does in its magical way. They also discuss strongmen authoritarians, Lincoln as a father, his high-pitched voice, and Lincoln’s use of humor and other tactics to achieve monumental political maneuvers in the face of adversity.