Episode #36: Dr. Yusef Bunchy Shakur and Tony Gant "The Landscape of Criminal Legal Work 2026: Where is the Movement Going?"

In this powerful episode, I sit down with Dr. Yusef Bunchy Shakur and Tony Gant for a necessary, honest conversation about the past, present, and future of criminal legal reform.

We reflect on the changes in Michigan over the 25 years since Dr. Shakur’s release, the 10 years since Tony and I have been home, and what those timelines reveal about progress, power, and persistent gaps in the movement. From policy shifts to culture changes, we examine what’s moved the needle—and what hasn’t.

This episode goes deep into:

• Building real power with formerly incarcerated people

• The evolving (and essential) role of directly impacted leadership

• Hard truths and missteps within the movement that must be addressed to move forward

• What success must look like as we head toward 2026 and beyond

This is real talk, grounded in lived experience, strategy, and love for the people. Hands down, one of the best conversations I’ve had yet.

Tap in, reflect, and be part of shaping what comes next.

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