Episode 202: Building Racial Literacy and Having Hard Conversations [featuring Dr. Nathalie Edmond]

In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Nathalie Edmond, psychologist, mindfulness expert, published author, and more, talk about her incredible journey publishing “Mindful Race Talk.” They dive into why honest, vulnerable conversations about race and identity are needed in every organization, how creative grit can see you through the ups and downs of self-publishing, and why balancing compassion with accountability truly matters. If you’re an entrepreneur or team leader committed to growth, this is your reminder: lean into the conversations that scare you, and turn your message into impact.

Here are 3 key takeaways:

1. Vulnerability is necessary for growth: Sharing your work—especially on tough topics—means navigating vulnerability, imperfection, and even critique. “How do I capture the way that I am in a workshop?” Nathalie asks. Authenticity shines when you let go of perfection.
2. Balance compassion with accountability: The “dance in between” is crucial. Effective anti-racism work isn’t about shaming or silencing—but meeting people with curiosity, compassion, and honest challenge, even when conversations get messy.
3. Creative projects bring new challenges and rewards: Self-publishing a book brought unexpected hurdles—especially in the final stages. But staying focused on impact, rather than perfection or popularity, drove Nathalie to push through.

More about Nathalie:

Dr. Nathalie Edmond is a licensed clinical psychologist and mindfulness and yoga teacher with over twenty years of experience as a trauma therapist integrating mind, body, and spirit. She has led hundreds of hours of racial literacy and antiracism workshops. She believes that racial justice is a spiritual practice. She has been a director of a women's trauma program, co-host of Rest and Awaken podcast, adjunct faculty, and a JEDI (justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion) consultant. She facilitates Antiracism Revolution, an online membership community where aspiring antiracists continue to explore themselves as racial beings and work towards collective liberation. She is the director of Villanova University's counseling center and the owner of a group practice called Mindful and Multicultural Counseling.

• Access all of Dr. Nathalie Edmond's resources here: linktr.ee/drnatedmond
• Dr. Nathalie Edmond's book: drnatedmond.com/mindful-race-talk-book.html

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