“We want to believe that, when seeing harm being done, we will rise to the level of our expectations, but the reality is, most of us will fall to the level of our training.” - Stefanie

In this episode, Carolyn and Stef talk about Stef’s newest addition to the family (spoiler: she has four paws and gives lots of kisses!), Carolyn’s new fitness endeavors, and the intersection of race, politics, and running.

“As women who are also People of Color, there is no way we can separate politics from running or from life. All of our lives are affected by policy.” - Carolyn

It’s a conversation you don’t want to miss!

We are so grateful you’re here in this space, in the sport, and in this world! #Keepshowingup and keep making strides in being the change we wish to see!

Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠.

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Show Notes:

00:15 - Stef’s new family addition!

11:00 - Carolyn’s foray into OrangeTheory Fitness!

21:45 - thoughts on the current running boom

28:10 - the audiobook, James, by Percival Everett

31:15 - connection to Ra’Shaude Kenney, the co-founder of the Space City Elite Running Team, and his experience as a Black runner

33:00 - the stigma of running

39:30 - the book, Defy: the Power of No in a World That Demands Yes, by Sunita Sat

47:30 - the consequences and cost of defiance that Carolyn experienced, speaking up with Tracksmith Running

55:20 - Stef’s example of struggling with defiance, while practicing medicine

Links:

James, by Percival Everett (also available here)

Audiobook version (which Carolyn highly recommends!)

Ra’Shaude Kenney’s story on the 26.2 Foundation

Defy: The Power of No in a World That Demands Yes, by Sunita Sah (also available here)

Find Stef ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠

Find Carolyn ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠