Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Roy Luongo. Roy is the Chief Information Security Officer for the United States Secret Service. He leads a team in the defense and information assurance of all USSS information systems and solutions. Prior to his current role he was the Director, Joint Mission Operations Center for Cyber Command, providing oversight of mission critical Cyber Operations infrastructures. He has also served as Chief, NSA Red Team and Technical Director for Interactive Operations for the NSA. Roy is a retired Army soldier with 20 years’ service within the Intelligence and Cyber career fields. [March 17, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:17 - Intro Links:

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

- Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

- Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

01:55 - Roy Luongo Intro

02:44 - The Path to CISO of the Secret Service

04:58 - Cybersecurity in Early Education

07:50 - The Entry Level Catch-22

12:24 - Quantifying Risk

14:27 - The Best Way Forward

16:51 - The Effects and Future of AI

20:06 - Understanding Your Needs

22:11 - Advise to Young Roy

24:56 - The Cost of Training

29:01 - Mentors

- Ed Skoudis

- Brigadier General Brian D. Vile

- Shawn Turskey

29:55 - Lollipop Moments

- TEDxToronto - Drew Dudley "Leading with Lollipops"

31:33 - Book Recommendations

- Cybersecurity Canon - Rick Howard

- Kingpin - Kevin Poulsen

- Turn the Ship Around! - L. David Marquet

33:49 - Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org