Ending HIV Takes More Than Treatment

In last week’s episode, Eric Smith shared how USAID’s Office of Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility worked to build an agency where people felt seen, valued, and included. That conversation served as a reminder that inclusion is not just a workplace ideal—it’s a strategy for better outcomes.

This week, we carry that idea into the world of HIV.

I’m joined by Kent Klindera, who spent more than three decades working with sex workers, transgender communities, gay men, people who inject drugs, and others whose lives have always been deeply shaped by social exclusion. Kent makes one truth impossible to ignore: you cannot end HIV with treatment alone. People don’t live in laboratories—they live in families, in communities, inside legal systems that either protect them or push them underground.

Throughout our conversation, Kent unpacks what he witnessed as the first HIV Peace Corps volunteer in Thailand in 1988, and later across Uganda, South Africa, Botswana, and at USAID. He explains why criminalization fuels transmission, how stigma keeps people from returning for care, and what happens when drop-in centers and trusted relationships disappear overnight. He also shares the story of a young peer educator in rural Uganda. A moment that captures the weight people carry when the world around them refuses to make room for their whole selves.

This episode is a clear reminder that HIV work has always been about far more than medication. It’s about safety. It’s about dignity. It’s about belonging. And it’s about the systems and people that help someone stay connected to care when life becomes overwhelming.

If you’ve ever wondered what truly drives epidemic control, or why inclusive policies and community-led care matter as much as science, this conversation with Kent will shift the way you think about health.

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