E101: Mark Sayers on Faith, Fragility, and the Future We Can't Predict

In this episode of The New Rules Podcast, Adrian and Bri sit down with one of their favorite thinkers, Mark Sayers, pastor of Red Church in Melbourne and author of A Non-anxious Presence and Reappearing Church. Known for his insights on faith, culture, and leadership, Mark unpacks what it means to live and lead faithfully in a world defined by uncertainty, disinformation, and rapid technological change.

Together, they explore:

• How AI and cultural instability are reshaping leadership.

• The hidden spiritual hunger emerging beneath global chaos.

• The loss of truth, the rise of tribalism, and what authentic hope looks like now.

• Why the next era of leadership requires depth, humility, and integrity rather than platforms.

This is a timely and deeply grounded conversation about faith, formation, and the kind of leadership the future desperately needs.

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