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  • Most Men Wait Too Long. The Truth About Healthspan
    Mar 24 2026
    You feel fine. Nothing hurts. Everything seems normal. But that doesn’t always mean you’re healthy. In this episode of the Don’t Change Much Podcast, hosts Mike Cameron and Trevor Botkin sit down with medical oncologist and prevention researcher Dr. Zia Poonja to talk about a problem many men don’t realize they’re facing until it’s too late. The gap between feeling healthy and actually being healthy. Because for a lot of men, the warning signs don’t show up until years, sometimes decades, after the damage has already started. Dr. Poonja introduces the idea of healthspan. Not just how long you live, but how long you stay strong, capable, and independent. The conversation explores why so many men avoid doctors, delay testing, or assume they’re fine simply because they don’t have symptoms. And how that mindset can quietly lead to bigger problems later on. It also challenges the idea of “normal” health. Just because your numbers fall within a range doesn’t mean you’re operating at your best. One of the most powerful ideas in the episode is a simple shift in perspective. Instead of asking, “Do I feel okay right now?” Ask, “Am I building a body that will hold up 20 or 30 years from now?” Because the goal isn’t just to live longer. It’s to stay strong enough to actually enjoy the life you’ve built. This isn’t about fear or drastic change. It’s about paying attention earlier, making small adjustments, and giving yourself a better chance at a healthier future. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why many men feel healthy but aren’t actually healthyThe difference between lifespan vs healthspan (and why it matters)Why waiting for symptoms is one of the biggest health mistakes men makeHow “normal” test results can still hide underlying riskWhy strength and muscle are critical for long-term healthThe real reason men avoid doctors and delay testingHow to start thinking about your future health todaySimple ways men can take a more proactive approach to their health Support This Podcast and Canadian Men's Health Foundation https://menshealthfoundation.ca/donate/ Follow Dr Zia Poonja LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-zia-poonja-38481237/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/my_healthspan/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/ownmyhealthspan/ Website - https://www.myhealthspan.com/ Follow Canadian Men’s Health Foundation Website - https://menshealthfoundation.ca/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/menshealthfdn/Facebook - https://facebook.com/menshealthfoundation Follow Mike Cameron Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mikecameron.ca/Youtube - https://youtube.com/mikecameronspeaks Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/mikedavidcameron/X - Mike Cameron (@axiommike) / X LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/mikecameronWebsite - https://mikecameron.ca/TedX Talk - https://www.ted.com/talks/mike_cameron_redefining_badass_the_way_we_think_about_strong_is_wrong Follow Trevor Botkin Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/gsnscreativeMuster Point IG - https://www.instagram.com/the_musterpointFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/gsnscreativeLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevor-botkin-869ab5143/Support Men & Their Familes: https://menshealthfoundation.ca/donate/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • When Everything Looks Fine, But Life Still Feels Heavy
    Mar 10 2026
    Support This Podcast and Canadian Men's Health Foundation https://menshealthfoundation.ca/donate/ The career is steady. The family is healthy. And on paper, life looks exactly the way it’s supposed to. But internally, the weight of carrying it all is starting to feel unsustainable. You might even catch yourself wondering why you feel so exhausted when you have so much to be grateful for. Sometimes life can look fine on the outside and still feel heavy on the inside. In this special live recording of the Don’t Change Much Podcast, hosts Mike Cameron and Trevor Botkin sit down with broadcaster Chris Gailus, Paralympic gold medalist Greg Stewart, and comedian Toby Hargrave for an honest conversation about the things men don’t usually say out loud. Chris shares how a sudden medical emergency forced him to start paying closer attention to his health. Greg reflects on how tying his identity to achievement left him searching for who he really was. Toby talks about the moment he realized burnout had quietly caught up with him. And Trevor speaks openly about the cost of pretending everything was fine when it wasn’t. What follows is a conversation about the pressure many men feel to hold everything together and what happens when that pressure finally cracks. The discussion moves from the “armor” men wear as providers to the simple but powerful idea of being a lighthouse for the people around them: someone who shows up, stands steady, and listens. In this episode you’ll hear about: The "Lighthouse" Concept: Why you don’t need to steer someone else's ship; you just need to stand on solid rock.Body Literacy: Recognizing when your physical symptoms like shortness of breath or persistent pain are actually a cry for help.The Guilt Gap: Breaking the cycle of resentment that comes from struggling while "having it good."Spontaneous Connection: Why the most important conversations don't happen at a boardroom table, but in the middle of everyday life. This isn’t a lecture or a self-help formula. It’s a group of men telling the truth about their lives and discovering that honesty might be one of the strongest things a man can do. Follow Toby Hargrave Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tobyhargrave Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheRealTobyHargrave/ Men’s Health Champion - https://menshealthfoundation.ca/champions/toby-hargrave/ Follow Greg Stewart Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/greg_r_stewart/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-stewart-ply-bba-7ab19161/ Website - https://themindfulete.ca/ Men’s Health Champion - https://menshealthfoundation.ca/champions/greg-stewart/ Follow Chris Gailus Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/chrisgailus/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/chris.gailus.2025 Get to Know Chris Gailus - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqeifo44uj8 Follow Canadian Men’s Health Foundation Website - https://menshealthfoundation.ca/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/menshealthfdn/ Facebook - https://facebook.com/menshealthfoundation Follow Mike Cameron Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mikecameron.ca/ Youtube - https://youtube.com/mikecameronspeaks Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/mikedavidcameron/ X - Mike Cameron (@axiommike) / X LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/mikecameronWebsite - https://mikecameron.ca/TedX Talk - https://www.ted.com/talks/mike_cameron_redefining_badass_the_way_we_think_about_strong_is_wrong Follow Trevor Botkin Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/gsnscreative Muster Point IG - https://www.instagram.com/the_musterpoint Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/gsnscreative LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevor-botkin-869ab5143/ Chapters 00:00 Rock Bottom Wake Up 01:05 Live Podcast Kickoff 01:52 Meet the Panelists 03:53 Chris Blood Clot Scare 07:37 Symptoms and Self Advocacy 09:28 Greg Identity and Help 14:20 Toby Silence and Burnout 19:50 Redefining Strength as Men 21:05 Owning Addiction Truth 22:04 Guilt Despite Good Life 23:08 Judgment Steals Love 24:34 Both Things Can Be True 26:42 Roomwide Struggle Exercise 27:48 Conversations Without Scripts 28:47 Mens Groups And Patience 35:28 Be The Lighthouse ClosingSupport Men & Their Familes: https://menshealthfoundation.ca/donate/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • The Hidden Cost of Carrying It Alone
    Feb 24 2026
    Support This Podcast and Canadian Men's Health Foundation https://menshealthfoundation.ca/donate/ There are things many men carry that no one sees. Grief. Trauma. Pressure to hold it together. The belief that if you slow down or speak up, you’ll fall apart or let someone else down. In this episode, hosts Mike Cameron and Trevor Botkin sit down with former NHL player Bob Wilkie and filmmaker Shayne Putzlocher to talk about the documentary Sideways and the story behind it. At 17, Bob survived the 1986 Swift Current Broncos bus crash that killed four of his teammates. What followed wasn’t just resilience. It was silence. Substance use. Suicidal thoughts. Years of trying to function while carrying more than he knew how to process. The conversation moves beyond the crash. They unpack the belief that “caring” means worrying, stressing, and losing sleep. That if you’re not overwhelmed, you must not care enough. But when stress becomes constant, it doesn’t make you stronger, it just gets heavier. Eventually, that weight shows up somewhere. In your health. In your relationships. In the way you move through your own life. Inside this episode: Why silence can feel safer than telling the truthWhat unprocessed trauma can look like years laterThe difference between caring and carrying too muchPractical language for setting boundaries without blowing up relationshipsHow small moments of honesty reduce shame This isn’t about fixing yourself. It’s about taking the pack off your back, even for a minute, so you don’t have to carry it alone. Watch Sideways with CMHF We’re proud to be a partner on this film and help bring this story to more Canadians. Use the promo code CMHFSIDEWAYS to get $5 off the digital download and watch it at home. https://sidewaysdocumentary.ca/ Follow Bob Wilkie Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/igotmind1/Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpqCxLbVCoY0ZyCVtgBzd4QFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/igotmindLinkedIN - https://ca.linkedin.com/company/i-got-mindWebsite - https://igotmind.caPodcast - Tear off the Tape - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tear-off-the-tape/id1836507415 Follow Shayne Putzlocher Website - https://trilight.ca/Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyyKGy5rwu6fbw7Swh9B6FQInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/sputzlocher/ Follow Canadian Men’s Health Foundation Website - https://menshealthfoundation.ca/Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/menshealthfdn/Facebook - https://facebook.com/menshealthfoundation Follow Mike Cameron Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mikecameron.ca/Youtube - https://youtube.com/mikecameronspeaks Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/mikedavidcameron/X - Mike Cameron (@axiommike) / X LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/mikecameronWebsite - https://mikecameron.ca/TedX Talk - https://www.ted.com/talks/mike_cameron_redefining_badass_the_way_we_think_about_strong_is_wrong Follow Trevor Botkin Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/gsnscreativeMuster Point IG - https://www.instagram.com/the_musterpointFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/gsnscreativeLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevor-botkin-869ab5143/Support Men & Their Familes: https://menshealthfoundation.ca/donate/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • The Isolation Trap: Why Comfort is Killing Your Connections
    Feb 11 2026

    Comfort can feel like relief. Staying quiet. Keeping things to yourself. Not risking rejection.

    For a lot of men, that comfort slowly turns into distance, and then into loneliness.

    In this episode of the Don’t Change Much Podcast, hosts Mike Cameron and Trevor Botkin talk openly about how isolation becomes a habit long before it becomes a problem. Drawing from their own lives, leadership roles, relationships, and past struggles, they unpack how choosing comfort can quietly cost men the connection they actually want.

    They explore what happens when men wear masks, manage impressions, or keep people at arm’s length to stay in control. The conversation moves through fear of rejection, the urge to self-isolate, and the belief that independence means handling everything alone. The shift comes when both men name a hard truth: connection doesn’t break when you speak up, it breaks when you disappear.

    This isn’t about forcing vulnerability or oversharing. It’s about learning to listen, to stay present, and to let yourself be seen without trying to manage the outcome.

    You’ll hear:

    • How comfort can slowly replace real connection
    • Why isolation often feels safer than risking rejection
    • What actually helps men open up without losing themselves
    • Small, practical ways to rebuild connection without changing everything

    Before they close, Mike and Trevor leave listeners with two simple challenges:

    1. Reach out to someone who has impacted you in a positive way and let them know.
    2. Start a conversation with a stranger who is different than you.

    If you’ve been feeling disconnected, even while surrounded by people, this conversation meets you where you are.

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  • Running on Empty: What Men Get Wrong About Resilience
    Jan 27 2026

    A lot of men were taught that resilience means pushing through.
    Staying quiet. Handling it alone. Running on empty and calling it strength.

    In this episode, hosts Mike Cameron and Trevor Botkin slow that story down and take it apart, not as experts looking down, but as men who’ve lived the cost of getting it wrong.

    Joined by returning guest Dr. David Kuhl, physician, professor, and longtime voice in men’s health, the conversation explores what resilience actually looks like when life brings grief, shame, burnout, or emotional numbness. Drawing from decades of experience in palliative care and trauma-informed work, Dr. Kuhl reframes resilience as a dynamic, relational process shaped by our bodies, our relationships, and the environments we live and work in.

    Mike shares how unspoken shame followed him years after exiting a business and quietly showed up in his relationship. Trevor reflects on how confusing endurance for resilience led him to self-neglect, substance use, and running himself into the ground. Together, they talk openly about numbness, emotional literacy, and the moment many men reach when “toughing it out” stops working.

    You’ll hear practical, grounded insights on:

    • Why numbness is a signal, not the absence of feeling
    • How shame fuels isolation and erodes trust
    • The difference between “I made a mistake” and “I am a mistake”
    • Why knowing just one person has your back increases resilience
    • How vulnerability, when practiced honestly, strengthens connection

    This isn’t about fixing yourself.
    It’s about paying attention sooner, staying connected, and redefining strength in a way that actually sustains you.

    If you’ve been pushing through, feeling disconnected, or quietly carrying more than you let on, this conversation offers language, perspective, and permission to pause and look again.


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    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Resilience

    00:27 Guest Introduction: Dr. David Kool

    02:01 Defining Resilience

    03:42 Building Resilience Before Adversity

    04:58 The Importance of Support Systems

    06:17 Understanding Shame and Guilt

    08:50 Personal Reflections on Resilience

    15:25 Recognizing and Addressing Numbness

    20:49 Understanding Emotional Numbness

    21:22 The Impact of Societal Expectations

    22:01 Personal Struggles and Coping Mechanisms

    22:42 The Importance of Emotional Literacy

    25:32 The Role of Vulnerability in Relationships

    29:14 Holding Space for Others

    35:02 The Systemic Nature of Resilience

    37:19 Final Thoughts on Connection and Vulnerability

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  • Why Talking Is the Toughest Thing Men Can Do
    Jan 13 2026

    For a lot of men, staying silent feels like strength. But what if it’s the opposite?

    In this episode of the Don’t Change Much Podcast, Paralympic gold medalist Greg Stewart challenges that belief head-on. In a raw, honest conversation with Mike Cameron and Trevor Botkin, Greg explores why silence has become the default for so many men and why talking might be the most courageous act there is.

    Greg shares his journey from elite sport to emotional burnout, and how learning to talk, ask for help, and sit with discomfort reshaped his sense of identity, resilience, and self-care. The conversation moves through fatherhood fears, intrusive thoughts, masculinity, and the unspoken rules that keep men isolated, even when they’re surrounded by people.

    You’ll hear:

    • Why silence often masks fear, shame, or loneliness
    • How “toughing it out” quietly leads to disconnection
    • Why vulnerability builds trust, leadership, and real resilience
    • Simple practices to pause, breathe, and stay present in hard moments

    If you’re looking for a real-world conversation about men’s health, mental health, and showing up more fully in your life, this episode meets you exactly where you are.

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    Chapters

    00:00 The Toughness Debate

    00:36 Meet Greg Stewart: A Champion's Journey

    02:35 Greg's Early Life and Challenges

    04:47 The Turning Point: Seeking Help

    05:44 Mindful Athlete: Embracing Vulnerability

    08:49 The Power of Ownership and Responsibility

    15:30 The Role of Vulnerability in Personal Growth

    18:13 Self-Love and Healthy Relationships

    19:51 Navigating Fatherhood: The Emotional Journey

    20:10 Struggles and Realities of Expecting Fathers

    21:26 The Importance of Acknowledging Emotions

    22:30 Helplessness and Support During Childbirth

    24:43 Intrusive Thoughts and Mental Health

    28:25 Breaking the Patriarchy

    31:15 The Role of Toughness and Resilience

    34:24 Practical Takeaways for Mental Well-being

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  • From Rage to Relief: How to Pause Before You Explode
    Dec 23 2025

    A lot of men aren’t “angry guys.” They’re overwhelmed, disconnected, and running out of space to breathe, and it’s catching up with them.

    In this episode of the Don’t Change Much Podcast, Gene Bernier, CTO & Don’t Change Much Producer at CMHF, joins hosts Trevor Botkin and Mike Cameron on camera for an honest conversation about anger, men’s mental health, and why reacting isn’t the same thing as responding. Together, they break down how anger shows up in the body, why it’s often the only emotion men were taught to recognize, and how today’s social pressure is amplifying everyday frustration.

    The conversation moves from the pressures young men are facing today to how anger often masks sadness, fear, or feeling left behind. The turning point isn’t about “controlling” anger. It’s about learning how to pause before it explodes.

    Not therapy-speak. Not perfection. Just a small, practiced moment that can change the outcome.

    You’ll hear practical, real-world tools men can use immediately, including:

    • How to use anger as a cue to slow down instead of reacting
    • Why naming what you’re feeling changes everything
    • How to pause long enough to choose a better response
    • Why emotions are temporary, but consequences can be permanent
    • How connection and listening can de-escalate even the hardest moments

    This episode is about resilience, self-care, and connection. Not fixing yourself and not getting it perfect, just learning how to show up with a little more awareness and a lot less damage.

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  • How Men Are Healing: Shame, Hope, and the Hard Work of Change
    Dec 9 2025

    What happens when two men sit down, drop the armour, and tell the truth about who they really are? On this episode of the Don’t Change Much Podcast, we introduce our new co-hosts, Mike Cameron and Trevor Botkin—two guys who have lived through rock bottom, rebuilt their lives, and are still doing the work every day.

    They share the same mission: help men close the gap between who they are and who they want to be.

    In this raw and hopeful conversation, Mike and Trevor unpack what healing actually looks like for men—navigating shame, asking for help, getting blindsided by grief, and learning to show up as the man you want to be, not the one you’re pretending to be. They share their stories of addiction, trauma, devastating loss, and the life-saving power of connection.

    What emerges is a powerful reminder that resilience isn’t only about being strong… it’s also about learning to feel again.

    This isn’t self-help fluff. It’s the hard, uncomfortable, life-changing work of becoming emotionally honest.

    You’ll hear:
    • Why men avoid asking for help and how to break that pattern
    • How shame fuels isolation and what stops it from running your life
    • The simple question Mike uses to course-correct when he’s slipping
    • Why Trevor believes self-forgiveness is the most unselfish thing a man can do

    If you’ve ever felt stuck, alone, or like you’re not the man you want to be, this conversation is your reminder: healing is possible… and you don’t have to do it on your own.

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    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction: The Struggle with Humility

    00:50 Meet the Hosts: Mike and Trevor

    01:21 The Importance of Human Connection

    02:55 Personal Journeys: Overcoming Challenges

    06:21 The Power of Vulnerability and Asking for Help

    09:27 A Heartbreaking Loss: Mike's Story

    14:09 Honoring Colleen: Making Beautiful Shit Happen

    18:22 Finding Beauty in Grief: Trevor's Story

    19:20 Coping with Loss and Family Support

    21:02 Finding Strength in Vulnerability

    21:38 Redefining Masculinity

    22:28 The Power of Emotional Connection

    23:28 Overcoming Addiction and Self-Discovery

    26:10 The Importance of Sharing Stories

    29:37 Navigating Shame and Forgiveness

    33:49 Building a Hopeful Future

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