Do wrestling fans need to know how the magic trick works?

Steven Godfrey is joined by Hector Diaz on this episode to talk about works, shoots, and the ways in which wrestling fans want to discern what's real, what's "real," and what's neither. You'll also get some good Godfrey stories about his days working in pro wrestling, as the two discuss the ways in which real life informs and shapes the storylines in the ring. Phantom Island is presented by Homefield and produced by Michael Surber.