Dallas Metro Podcast Episode #90: A Conversation with Pastor Tommy BarnettJoin us for an inspiring Episode #90 of the Dallas Metro Podcast, where Pastor Clay sits down with the remarkable Pastor Tommy Barnett, a trailblazer in American Pentecostalism whose ministry has left an indelible mark on Phoenix, Arizona, and beyond. With a career spanning over seven decades, Pastor Tommy’s innovative leadership, passion for outreach, and commitment to serving the underserved have made him a revered figure in the Assemblies of God and a global influence through the Dream Center movement.Pastor Tommy Barnett’s journey in ministry began at the age of sixteen, preaching the gospel with a fervor that would define his life’s work. Before arriving in Phoenix in 1979, he pastored Westside Assembly of God in Davenport, Iowa, growing the congregation from 76 to over 4,000 members, showcasing his early knack for church growth. In Phoenix, he took the helm of Phoenix First Assembly, now Dream City Church, transforming it into one of the largest Assemblies of God congregations in the United States. His 33-year tenure was marked by creative ministry approaches, including large-scale illustrated sermons and theatrical productions, which attracted diverse audiences and fostered a vibrant church community. Beyond numerical growth, Barnett’s vision for practical compassion led to the founding of the Dream Center movement in 1994 alongside his son Matthew, starting in Los Angeles and expanding to the Phoenix Dream Center in 2002. The Phoenix Dream Center has become a cornerstone of community outreach, serving tens of thousands monthly with food distribution, addiction recovery programs, and support for those facing homelessness, human trafficking, and poverty. Even after transitioning leadership to his son Luke in 2011, Pastor Tommy remains active as a co-pastor, Chancellor of Southeastern University, and a global speaker, continuing to inspire through his books, such as Multiplication and What If?, and his involvement in the Dream Center Global Network.In this special episode, Pastor Clay reflects on meeting Pastor Tommy in the 1980s at a conference and attending his pastor school in Phoenix, where innovative outreach methods like bus ministries left a lasting impression. Pastor Tommy shares stories of his early days, recalling how he grew Phoenix First Assembly by filling buses with “unsaved people” who packed the church, leading to hundreds giving their hearts to Christ. He discusses his best-selling book, The Miracle in the House, and how Pastor Clay himself was a “miracle” in the audience, inspired to reach children in Dallas through Metro Ministries. At 87, Pastor Tommy’s passion for dreaming big remains unshaken. His book What If? captures his philosophy of stepping out in faith, asking, “What if I try this?”—a mindset that led to buying buses, founding Dream Centers, and pursuing God-given opportunities despite uncertainty.The conversation delves into Pastor Tommy’s reflections on his life, where he shares two things he’d do differently: dream bigger and take bigger risks, as every God-given dream he pursued exceeded his expectations. His latest dream is to help others achieve theirs, a mission that fuels his role at Southeastern University and his global ministry efforts. He emphasizes the power of prayer, recounting how Prayer Mountain at Dream City Church became a reality after years of persistence, inspired by a visit to Dr. Cho’s prayer-centric church in South Korea. Pastor Tommy also shares insights on three revivals he’s witnessed— the Voice of Healing, the Charismatic Renewal, and the current “relevant revival”—urging churches to stay focused on soul-winning to sustain God’s movement.For those feeling discouraged, Pastor Tommy offers encouragement: hold onto your dream for at least five years, stay faithful where God has placed you, and trust that God will bring it to pass if it’s His will. He and Pastor Clay discuss the importance...