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DEPTH Work: A Holistic Mental Health Podcast

DEPTH Work: A Holistic Mental Health Podcast

De: Jazmine Russell
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DEPTH Work is a podcast for those who love to dive into transformative healing practices. We talk about mental health, madness, trauma, mind-body practices, energy work, ancestry, spirituality, societal change, somatics, and more. As a complex trauma survivor, holistic counselor, and co-founder of a transformative mental health training institute (IDHA-NYC.org), I believe that our deepest pain is guiding us towards our greatest transformation. Let's dive in! Become a Subscriber: https://anchor.fm/jazmine-russell/subscribeJazmine Russell Higiene y Vida Saludable Psicología Psicología y Salud Mental
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  • 106. Class Divides in Mental Health Treatment: Policies & Systems of Containment and Control with Sociologist Neil Gong
    Jun 20 2025

    I speak with sociologist Neil Gong about his book: Sons, Daughters, and Sidewalk Psychotics, which explores how mental health care in the U.S. is deeply shaped by class divides. We talk about the legacy of deinstitutionalization, how public systems rely on what he calls “tolerant containment” while elite institutions often impose surveillance and control, and the different ways each system can fail. Neil and I dig into housing-first programs, clinician burnout, and RFK’s vision for therapeutic farms. We also unpack what Neil calls the “Frankenstein monster” created by the uneasy mix of civil libertarian ideals and austerity policies. The conversation ends with reflections on political education, peer-led alternatives, and how we can hold space for complex and even opposing perspectives in the fight for better mental health systems.

    In this episode we discuss:

    • class comparisons in of Public vs. private mental health care models in Los Angeles
    • History and impacts of deinstitutionalization
    • Tolerant containment in public systems vs. surveillance in elite settings
    • What we can do to improve quality of care
    • RFK’s therapeutic farms and proposed health policies
    • The need for peer support and user-led initiatives in mental health reform
    • The “Frankenstein” fusion of civil liberties and austerity politics
    • Institutional harm reduction, defunding social programs and its potential backlash
    • Teaching political education


    Bio

    Neil Gong is assistant professor of sociology at the University of California, San Diego. He is the author of Sons, Daughters and Sidewalk Psychotics: Mental Illness and Homelessness in Los Angeles. His public commentary has appeared in venues like the Washington Post, the Atlantic, and the Los Angeles Times

    Links

    Neil’s Website: https://www.neilgong.com/

    Book: Sons, Daughters and Sidewalk Psychotics: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/S/bo212067953.html


    Resources:

    • Find videos and bonus episodes: ⁠DEPTHWORK.SUBSTACK.COM⁠
    • Get the book: ⁠⁠Mad Studies Reader: Interdisciplinary Innovations in Mental Health⁠
    • Become a member: ⁠The Institute for the Development of Human Arts⁠
    • Train with us: ⁠Transformative Mental Health Core Curriculum

    Sessions & Information about the host: ⁠⁠JazmineRussell.com⁠⁠

    Disclaimer: The DEPTH Work Podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Any information on this podcast in no way to be construed or substituted as psychological counseling, psychotherapy, mental health counseling, or any other type of therapy or medical advice.

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  • 105. The Joy of Movement: Embodied Curiosity, Injury Recovery, and Playfulness with David Bantje
    May 23 2025
    “One reason why it can feel so hard to listen to your body is because it is not normalized to move in a variety of ways that you would want to. There are certain ways of moving that are allowed or socially accepted but others are very rare to see. Therefore, it makes a lot of sense that we don't know what our body wants or can't listen to it because we always shut it down.” - David BantjeIn this episode, I’m joined by natural movement practitioner, and my loving partner, David Bantje. In this episode, he offers a refreshing, intuitive reframe on how we can shift our relationship to movement for a more liberated , and playful life. Rather than treating movement as a chore, isolated workout, or something we only do in designated spaces, David invites us to see movement as a birthright—something our bodies crave and have evolved to do in diverse, dynamic ways. He discusses how mainstream exercise culture, with its narrow focus and rigid intensity, can leave us disconnected from the deeper intelligence of our bodies. Instead, natural movement emphasizes accessibility, variety, injury prevention, and playfulness, allowing us to reconnect and reclaim our capacity for taking risks, curiosity, and aliveness. This isn’t about perfection or discipline, but about attunement: giving our bodies the space to lead.In this episode we discuss:How chronic pain and injuries "stack up" from habitual postures and sedentary lifestylesWhat natural movement is, and how it helps realign us with what our bodies evolved to doThe limits of conventional fitness culture and why high-intensity, short bursts of exercise can do more harm than goodThe power of movement snacks—simple, frequent movements throughout the day—to support flexibility, awareness, and healingMovement as medicine in the context of illness, disability, and injury (including David’s experience with a herniated disc)Relearning how to listen to your body, even when it doesn’t communicate in languageWhy reclaiming natural movement can be a path not only to health—but to joy, agency, and freedomBioDavid Bantje is a movement practitioner, teacher, and facilitator based in Potsdam, Germany. His interests span movement disciplines such as natural movement, parkour, dance, somatic movement, running, climbing, and their interconnections. He researches the importance of movement for our individual lives as well as our communities, how our modern societies have affected our movement habits, and ways to reconnect to our physicality and playfulness. In 2019 and 2021 he got certifications as a MovNat Natural Movement Trainer, and has since taught movement classes and workshops on various topics. Currently, he is co-hosting Monday Motion, an open community event for freely exploring movement and dance. He just started to write a Substack called "Movement Invitations".LinksDavid's Substack: https://davidbantje.substack.com/Katie Bowman: https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/Natural Movement Classes: https://movnat.com/Resources:Get the book: ⁠⁠⁠Mad Studies Reader: Interdisciplinary Innovations in Mental Health⁠⁠Become a member: ⁠⁠The Institute for the Development of Human Arts⁠⁠Train with us: ⁠⁠Transformative Mental Health Core Curriculum⁠Sessions & Information about the host: ⁠⁠⁠JazmineRussell.com⁠⁠⁠Disclaimer: The DEPTH Work Podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Any information on this podcast in no way to be construed or substituted as psychological counseling, psychotherapy, mental health counseling, or any other type of therapy or medical advice.
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  • 104. Being an Anti-Racist Clinician: On Moral Injury, Resistance and the Future of Psychiatry with Rupi Legha
    Apr 18 2025

    Your questioning and critiquing is everything that is needed for 2025 and beyond. And if or when it is construed [by the system] as as a deficiency, unprofessionalism, or ineptitude, I hope that by priming people to keep their eyes open for those responses, it can be more of a collective yawn.” - Rupi Legha

    In this episode I’m joined by Rupi Legha, psychiatrist, educator, and scholar-activist—whose work radically interrogates the role of psychiatry in upholding racial injustice. Together, we explore what it means to be an anti-racist clinician in a field that silences dissent, punishes disclosure, and pathologizes defiance—especially in Black, Brown, and Indigenous folks. We talk about the emotional and ethical toll of navigating psychiatric training while attempting to stay true to liberatory values. We talk about forced restraint, overmedication, and the ways psychiatry can reinforce white supremacist ideology in both overt and covert ways. And we ask the hard questions: What is worth saving in psychiatry? What should be dismantled? What might take its place?

    Also in this episode:

    • deciding how much to disclose about your own lived experiences with mental health as a clinician
    • what psychiatric residency training is actually like
    • experiencing moral injury
    • the racist and coercive practices deeply rooted in the history of psychiatry
    • advice for younger clinicians
    • navigating family dynamics in child crisis care
    • the future of psychiatry as a profession
    • anti-racist training for clinicians

    Bio

    Dr. Rupinder K. Legha is a double board-certified child, adolescent, and adult psychiatrist, educator, and independent scholar-activist. She is the founder of the Antiracism in Mental Health Fellowship and a nationally recognized leader working at the intersection of structural trauma, racial justice, and youth mental health. Dr. Legha’s clinical and scholarly work challenges how psychiatric systems interpret defiance and distress—especially in Black, Brown, and Indigenous youth—and seeks to transform the profession through person-centered, antiracist, and liberatory care.

    Links:

    • Rupi’s Website: https://rupileghamd.com/
    • Shield Act: https://rupileghamd.com/shieldact
    • Anti-Racist Fellowship: https://edu.rupileghamd.com/fellowship-sales-page
    • History of ODD Diagnosis video : https://rupileghamd.com/speaking/v/odd


    Resources:

    • Get the book: ⁠⁠Mad Studies Reader: Interdisciplinary Innovations in Mental Health⁠

    • Become a member: ⁠The Institute for the Development of Human Arts⁠

    • Train with us: ⁠Transformative Mental Health Core Curriculum

    Sessions & Information about the host: ⁠⁠JazmineRussell.com⁠⁠

    Disclaimer: The DEPTH Work Podcast is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Any information on this podcast in no way to be construed or substituted as psychological counseling, psychotherapy, mental health counseling, or any other type of therapy or medical advice.


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