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A family outing at Devil’s Den ended in unimaginable violence, with two parents killed on a quiet trail while their children ran for help. The manhunt that followed raised troubling questions about who we trust and how systems fail to connect the dots. Allison brings the full context, including one detail that was easy to miss at the time.

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When a 71-year-old father vanishes, the focus turns almost immediately to the person who reported him missing. This episode looks closely at how suspicion formed, how pressure was applied, and what happens when investigators become convinced too early. Allison brings the research and context that reveals the part of the story that was easiest to overlook.

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Josh Hilberling was trying to leave. At 6'5", the former Air Force serviceman didn’t fit the usual image of a domestic violence victim, but court records, hospital visits, and a dismissed protective order all pointed to a volatile and escalating pattern of abuse in his young marriage. On a sweltering afternoon in Tulsa, everything came to a violent end when Josh fell 17 stories from a high-rise apartment window. His wife Amber admitted to pushing him, though whether it was self-defense or murder remains fiercely debated. Allison tells us the rest of this story that leaves one boy with no parents and two families forever asking what was really going on behind closed doors.

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