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  • Survivor Stories: Shawn Simons and Alvaro Llanos
    Mar 23 2026

    Episode 104

    Survivor Stories: An Interview with Shawn Simons & Alvaro Llanos

    In this special Survivor Stories episode, we step away from case analysis and into lived experience.

    We’re joined by Shawn Simons and Alvaro Llanos, two survivors of the Seton Hall University dorm fire—a tragedy that claimed three lives and forever changed many others.

    This is not a retelling of the case.

    This is what it was like to be there.

    Shawn and Alvaro share their memories from that night, the moments leading up to the fire, the chaos that followed, and the long road of recovery in the years since. Their story is one of survival, resilience, and the lasting impact of a fire that should never have happened.

    In the years since, they have dedicated themselves to advocacy—sharing their story to promote fire safety awareness, encourage resilience, and help prevent tragedies like this from happening again. Through their outreach efforts, they’ve worked to improve fire safety on college campuses and ensure that the lessons from Seton Hall are not forgotten.

    Out of respect for our guests and the weight of their experience, this episode is presented without mid-roll interruptions.

    We’re honored to share their voices with you.

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  • The God and Country Serial Arsonist
    Mar 16 2026

    Episode 103

    Across Massachusetts, a series of fires began targeting places tied to faith and patriotism — Protestant churches, American Legion halls, and other community institutions closely associated with “God and country.”

    From the beginning, investigators knew they were dealing with arson.

    At scene after scene, the same method appeared: windows smashed to gain entry, gasoline used as an accelerant, and fires intentionally set inside the buildings. The pattern was obvious, but proving the same person was responsible for all of them was another matter entirely.

    For a long time, investigators had little more than the method of operation linking the fires together.

    Then the suspect made a mistake.

    At one scene, a hammer was left behind — a small piece of evidence that investigators were able to connect to another fire through forensic analysis. It was the first physical link tying two of the crimes together.

    But even then, most of the fires remained connected only by pattern, timing, and method.

    The investigation would continue until the suspect was finally caught in the act, bringing an end to a string of arsons that had targeted both houses of worship and patriotic institutions across the state.

    In this episode of Crime to Burn, we break down the investigation, the forensic evidence, and how investigators ultimately stopped a serial firestarter.

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    SOURCES:

    • Miller, Wayne M. Bang Boom Burn: Explosive True Crime Gun, Bombing, and Arson Cases from a Federal Agent’s Career. AuthorHouse, 2021. ISBN 978-1-7333403-5-9.
    • Hardiman, Thomas, et al. Dr. Thomas Hardiman, Affiliated Foot Care, PC, Plaintiffs, v. United States of America, Defendant. Available at: https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914f558add7b0493498a0b6
    • Kocsis, R. N. (2004). Psychological Profiling of Serial Arson Offenses: An Assessment of Skills and Accuracy. Criminal Justice and Behavior, 31(3), 341–361. https://doi.org/10.1177/0093854803262586
    • Patriot Ledger Staff. (2010, October 6). Prosecutor: Plymouth arsonist wanted to go back to jail. The Patriot Ledger. https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2010/10/06/prosecutor-plymouth-arsonist-wanted-to/40167801007/
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  • Pranks, Panic & Pleas: The Seton Hall Fire
    Mar 2 2026
    Episode 101 On January 19, 2000, a fire broke out in a third-floor lounge inside Boland Hall at Seton Hall University. Within minutes, thick smoke filled the hallway. Students pounded on doors. Some thought it was a false alarm. Others ran. Three students would not survive. In Part 1, we focus on the night of the fire — what happened, how it unfolded, and why conditions became so deadly so quickly. We discuss: The timeline of events as students began to realize something was wrong The rapid buildup of smoke on the third floor The confusion and delays during evacuation And how the building’s concrete construction trapped heat and intensified conditions inside Three young lives were lost in a matter of minutes. Part 1 centers on the human experience — the chaos, the survival decisions, and the early rumors that began circulating almost immediately. In Part 2, we’ll examine the investigation, the forensic findings, and the legal aftermath that would divide a campus and raise lasting questions about accountability. Because sometimes the story of a fire isn’t just about ignition. It's about what happens after the flames are out. Purchase the book After The Fire that we sourced for this episode here: https://a.co/d/08OUjIBm or watch the documentary on Tubi. The Crime to Burn Patreon - The Cult of Steve - is LIVE NOW! Go join and get all the unhinged you can handle. Click here to be sanctified. Inner Sanctum Acknowledgments: Eternal gratitude to our Inner Sanctum patrons, Melanie Curtis, Jenny Mercer and Laura Pisciotta, for helping us bring light to the stories others would rather leave in the ashes. Listener discretion is advised. Background music by Not Notoriously Coordinated Get your Crime to Burn Merch! https://crimetoburn.myspreadshop.com Please follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook, TikTok and Youtube for the latest news on this case. You can email us at crimetoburn@gmail.com We welcome any constructive feedback and would greatly appreciate a 5 star rating and review. If you need a way to keep your canine contained, you can also support the show by purchasing a Pawious wireless dog fence using our affiliate link and use the code "crimetoburn" at checkout to receive 10% off. Pawious, because our dog Winston needed a radius, not a rap sheet. SOURCES: After the Fire: A True Story of Friendship and Survival (Robin Gaby Fisher) • Back Bay Books / Little, Brown and Company • 2008 (paperback ed. 2010)After the Fire: A True Story of Heroes & Cowards (dir. Guido Verweyen) • Documentary • 2013 • Featuring Shawn Simons and Alvaro Llanos “Suits filed in Seton Hall dorm fire” • Arizona Daily Sun • Jan 19, 2002 https://azdailysun.com/suits-filed-in-seton-hall-dorm-fire/article_46018ce6-ff78-5daa-b309-879a91f2501e.html “Experts for defense fault Seton Hall in fatal dorm fire” • Chicago Tribune • Aug 18, 2006 (updated Aug 21, 2021) https://www.chicagotribune.com/2006/08/18/experts-for-defense-fault-seton-hall-in-fatal-dorm-fire/ “University community reflects 25 years after the Boland Hall fire” (Thomas Canela) • The Setonian • Feb 27, 2025 https://www.thesetonian.com/article/2025/02/25-years-after-boland-fire “Parole denied for 2 who set Seton Hall dorm fire that killed 3 students in 2000” (David Porter, AP) • tucson.com • Apr 1, 2008 https://tucson.com/news/national/article_ddddebb6-d3b8-554c-85fb-0aa0e6cf0c12.html “After the fire: Seton Hall students tell story” (Greg Watry) • New Jersey Herald • Apr 22, 2015 (updated Apr 25, 2015) https://www.njherald.com/story/news/2015/04/23/after-fire-seton-hall-students/4043405007/ “Seton Hall Arsonists Get 5 Years” • CBS News • Jan 26, 2007 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/seton-hall-arsonists-get-5-years/ “Three Die in Dormitory Fire at Seton Hall University” (John J. Goldman) • Los Angeles Times • Jan 20, 2000 https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jan-20-mn-55831-story.html “Seton Hall Dorm Arsonist Out on Parole” (Tamara Vostok) • NBC Philadelphia • May 6, 2009 https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/seton-hall-dorm-arsonist/1881069/ “2 Students Charged with Setting Fatal Dorm Fire 3 Years Ago at Seton Hall U.” (Jeffrey R. Young) • The Chronicle of Higher Education • Jun 13, 2003 https://www.chronicle.com/article/2-students-charged-with-setting-fatal-dorm-fire-3-years-ago-at-seton-hall-u/ “Police stage alcohol raid in dorm-fire investigation” • Orlando Sentinel • Feb 21, 2000 (updated Oct 27, 2018) https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2000/02/21/police-stage-alcohol-raid-in-dorm-fire-investigation/ “Seton Hall dorm arsonist gets parole” (Bryan T. Murray / The Star-Ledger) • nj.com • Mar 25, 2009 https://www.nj.com/news/2009/03/seton_hall_dorm_arsonist_gets.html “Students charged years after dorm fire” • Tampa Bay Times • Jun 13, 2003 (updated Sept 1, 2005) https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2003/06/13/...
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  • Domestic Detonation: The Upstate NY Bomb Plot - The Conclusion
    Feb 16 2026

    Episode 100

    In Part 2 of Domestic Detonation, we move deeper into the investigation and unravel how a domestic violence case escalated into a coordinated bombing plot that nearly claimed multiple lives.

    As investigators began connecting the devices, forensic evidence and witness testimony painted a chilling picture of planning, coercion, and control — revealing just how far one person was willing to go to keep a partner from leaving.

    We explore the forensic evidence that helped build the case, including tool mark comparisons, and discuss the strengths and limitations of these techniques in the broader context of modern forensic science.

    We also walk through the critical moments that prevented additional bombs from being delivered, highlighting how coordination between investigators and rapid communication helped stop further attacks before they could occur.

    This case is a stark reminder of how domestic violence can escalate and how manipulation and coercive control can lead to extreme violence.

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    • Miller, Wayne M. Bang Boom Burn: Explosive True Crime Gun, Bombing, and Arson Cases from a Federal Agent’s Career. AuthorHouse, 2021. ISBN 978-1-7333403-5-9.
    • Craig, Gary. “Christmas package bomber who killed 5 in New York dies in prison.” Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. Updated Nov. 14, 2024.

    • “His mouth got him in trouble.” Associated Press, published in The Roanoke Times, Dec. 31, 1993 (Virginia Tech newspaper archive).

    • United States of America v. Michael T. Stevens, 83 F.3d 60 (2d Cir. 1996). Justia.

    • Van Biema, David. “Death on Delivery.” TIME. Jan. 10, 1994.

    • “A Conviction in Case of 5 Deaths by Bombs.” The New York Times. Apr. 1, 1995. (Accessed via Murderpedia; direct link not captured.)

    • “Jury Is Seated in Upstate Mail Bombing.” The New York Times. Mar. 7, 1995. (Accessed via Murderpedia; direct link not captured.)

    • Van Gelder, Lawrence. “Plea Bargain in Mail Bombings That Killed 5 Upstate.” The New York Times. Feb. 9, 1995. (Accessed via Murderpedia; direct link not captured.)

    • “How Detectives Caught the New York Serial Bomber.” Real Responders (YouTube). Posted Feb. 24, 2020.

    • “N.Y. bombing plot may have taken shape as long as year ago.” Tampa Bay Times. Published Jan. 2, 1994; updated Oct. 6, 2005.

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  • Domestic Detonation - The Upstate NY Bomb Plot
    Feb 2 2026
    Episode 99 Some crimes are impulsive. This one wasn’t. In December 1993, six bombs were delivered across upstate New York in less than ninety minutes. Five people were killed. One survived by pure chance. Another device failed to detonate. And one bomb was unknowingly driven around the region in the back of a courier van before police could stop it. The victims weren’t politicians. They weren’t business rivals. They weren’t part of an organized crime war. They were a family. In this episode, we begin breaking down Domestic Detonation—a coordinated bombing campaign driven not by ideology or profit, but by control. According to investigators, the targets shared one connection: they were the support system of a woman trying to leave a volatile relationship. Part 1 focuses on the human story and the investigation: The victims and the nearly identical package bombs How investigators realized these attacks were connected Why one woman was spared while the rest of her family was targeted The early suspects—and why nothing was as simple as it first appeared The unsettling role of loyalty, manipulation, and obsession in escalating violence We’ll also introduce the two men at the center of the case—and the red flags investigators couldn’t ignore. In Part 2, we’ll shift into the forensic evidence: How investigators linked the bombs What the explosive components revealed The confession—and the questions surrounding it How forensic reconstruction unraveled the plot piece by piece Buy Burn Boston Burn by Wayne M. Miller: https://a.co/d/ipCuGL2 Buy Bang Boom Burn by Wayne M. Miller: https://a.co/d/a2EACYf The Crime to Burn Patreon - The Cult of Steve - is LIVE NOW! Go join and get all the unhinged you can handle. Click here to be sanctified. Inner Sanctum Acknowledgments: Eternal gratitude to our Inner Sanctum patrons, Melanie Curtis, Jenny Mercer and Laura Pisciotta, for helping us bring light to the stories others would rather leave in the ashes. Listener discretion is advised. Background music by Not Notoriously Coordinated Get your Crime to Burn Merch! https://crimetoburn.myspreadshop.com Please follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook, TikTok and Youtube for the latest news on this case. You can email us at crimetoburn@gmail.com We welcome any constructive feedback and would greatly appreciate a 5 star rating and review. If you need a way to keep your canine contained, you can also support the show by purchasing a Pawious wireless dog fence using our affiliate link and use the code "crimetoburn" at checkout to receive 10% off. Pawious, because our dog Winston needed a radius, not a rap sheet. Miller, Wayne M. Bang Boom Burn: Explosive True Crime Gun, Bombing, and Arson Cases from a Federal Agent’s Career. AuthorHouse, 2021. ISBN 978-1-7333403-5-9. Craig, Gary. “Christmas package bomber who killed 5 in New York dies in prison.” Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. Updated Nov. 14, 2024. “His mouth got him in trouble.” Associated Press, published in The Roanoke Times, Dec. 31, 1993 (Virginia Tech newspaper archive). United States of America v. Michael T. Stevens, 83 F.3d 60 (2d Cir. 1996). Justia. Van Biema, David. “Death on Delivery.” TIME. Jan. 10, 1994. “A Conviction in Case of 5 Deaths by Bombs.” The New York Times. Apr. 1, 1995. (Accessed via Murderpedia; direct link not captured.) “Jury Is Seated in Upstate Mail Bombing.” The New York Times. Mar. 7, 1995. (Accessed via Murderpedia; direct link not captured.) Van Gelder, Lawrence. “Plea Bargain in Mail Bombings That Killed 5 Upstate.” The New York Times. Feb. 9, 1995. (Accessed via Murderpedia; direct link not captured.) “How Detectives Caught the New York Serial Bomber.” Real Responders (YouTube). Posted Feb. 24, 2020. “N.Y. bombing plot may have taken shape as long as year ago.” Tampa Bay Times. Published Jan. 2, 1994; updated Oct. 6, 2005.
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  • The Fire Folklore that Convicted Butch Martin - The Conclusion
    Jan 26 2026

    Episode 98

    In 1999, Garland “Butch” Martin was convicted of killing his girlfriend, Marcia Poole, and her two young children, Brady and Kristin, and was sentenced on three counts of capital murder in Midland, Texas. The State told a compelling story: domestic abuse, accelerant-driven fire, pre-fire blunt force trauma, and motive. A jury believed it.

    Twenty-four years later, Butch Martin was exonerated.

    In Part Two of this two-part series, April breaks down what the jury didn’t hear: conflicting fire science, flawed forensic anthropology testimony, discarded physical evidence, and the physics of fire that contradict the State’s entire arson-murder theory. We examine the defense, the appellate process, modern NFPA-aligned fire investigation principles, and how the work of Dr. Gerald Hurst and John Lentini unraveled the narrative.

    Because before you can call something arson-murder, you have to prove arson — and in this case, there is zero credible evidence that this fire was intentionally set.

    In this episode we cover:

    • The defense’s accidental fire theory

    • Conflicting chemical analysis (Norpar & “deparaffinated kerosene”)

    • What Dr. Gerald Hurst and John Lentini found years later

    • Why NFPA 921 rejects “pour pattern” folklore

    • The missing extension cord and freezer on the back porch

    • 40 mph winds and the physics problem for the State’s origin theory

    • Cerebral edema vs. “blunt force trauma”

    • Anthropologist vs. medical examiner expertise boundaries

    • The appellate court’s reasoning for exoneration

    • How wrongful arson convictions keep happening

    When you strip away mythology and examine only evidence, this case collapses. Every credible data point points to an accidental fire — and an innocent man lost 24 years of his life.

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    Sources: Please see the source list from Episode 97.

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  • The Fire Folklore that Convicted Butch Martin
    Jan 19 2026
    Episode 97 In this first episode of our two-part series, we go to Midland, Texas, where a fatal house fire claimed the lives of Marcia Pool and two children, Brady and Kristin. In the aftermath, investigators concluded the blaze was intentionally set — and they pointed to one man: Butch Martin. The state built its theory around burn patterns, accelerant findings, eyewitness accounts, and interpretations of fire behavior that were considered reliable at the time, but would later come under scrutiny as fire folklore. Claims about liquid accelerants, pour patterns, and “arson indicators” formed the backbone of the prosecution’s case. In Part 1, we cover: The timeline leading up to the fire How investigators interpreted burn patterns and damage The prosecution’s theory of how and why the fire was set Eyewitness testimony that shaped the narrative The role accelerant testing played in the case This episode focuses on the fire itself and the state’s case. It sets the stage for a larger discussion about how outdated investigative practices — including the interpretation of burn patterns during flashover and the assumed meaning of “pour patterns” — contributed to arson convictions during this era. Next week in Part 2, we take a critical look at the defense, the evolution of modern fire science, and the post-conviction efforts that challenged the original findings. The Crime to Burn Patreon - The Cult of Steve - is LIVE NOW! Go join and get all the unhinged you can handle. Click here to be sanctified. Inner Sanctum Acknowledgments: Eternal gratitude to our Inner Sanctum patrons, Melanie Curtis, Jenny Mercer and Laura Pisciotta, for helping us bring light to the stories others would rather leave in the ashes. Listener discretion is advised. Background music by Not Notoriously Coordinated Get your Crime to Burn Merch! https://crimetoburn.myspreadshop.com Please follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook, TikTok and Youtube for the latest news on this case. You can email us at crimetoburn@gmail.com We welcome any constructive feedback and would greatly appreciate a 5 star rating and review. If you need a way to keep your canine contained, you can also support the show by purchasing a Pawious wireless dog fence using our affiliate link and use the code "crimetoburn" at checkout to receive 10% off. Pawious, because our dog Winston needed a radius, not a rap sheet. Sources: Texas Tech University — Fearless (S4 Episode 4) “Butch Martin and Allison Clayton | Part 1” (Published October 2, 2024) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW3ASCLIu9s Texas Tech University — Fearless (S4 Episode 5) “Butch Martin and Allison Clayton | Part 2” (Published October 9, 2024) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uH2sK2_10E Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freleng — Episode #339 “Maggie Freleng with Garland Leon ‘Butch’ Martin” (Published March 6, 2023) https://www.firstalert7.com/2024/05/23/midland-man-exonerated-after-23-years-prison/ International Network of Innocent Arson Defendants (NIAD). “Butch Martin.” https://www.niad.info/Butch_Martin.html “Judge Recommends Vacating Conviction for Midland Man Serving Life in Prison.” NewsWest9 (November 2, 2022). https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/judge-recommends-vacating-conviction-for-midland-man/513-81762bbe-303c-4289-b63d-6ad0a042f099 NewsWest9 (YouTube). “Friends of the late Marcia Pool recall alleged abuse from ‘Butch’ Martin.” (Posted May 23, 2022). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvq0AMbsl4 “Beaumont Jury Finds Man Guilty of Pushing Painkillers.” Houston Chronicle (July 1, 2010). https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/Beaumont-jury-finds-man-guilty-of-pushing-728398.php Ratemds.com. Physician Reviews for Dr. David Hobbit (reviews as recent as 2015). https://www.ratemds.com
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