Podcasters perplexed at how to turn their passion into profit.

Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan search out answers to the question, "Where's the money in podcasting?" with their new show PodBiz, dedicated to transparent conversations about podcast monetization across the industry.

In this episode of Creators, Norma Jean joins us to discuss how PodBiz explores diverse revenue streams through conversations with platform executives, adtech specialists and independent creators.

We explore the value-for-value model, where listeners can directly support creators based on the perceived worth of the content they consume, an approach that eliminates intermediaries and fosters a unique connection between the podcaster and their audience.

Sam introduces the new TrueFans wallet page, which makes it easier for creators to track all incoming and outgoing transactions. Listeners benefit too, with their own wallet tab showing payments to podcasters and earnings from engagement activities.

Sam highlights some of the ways that listeners can earn these micropayments, from becoming a superfan to listening to Fanzone from TrueFans or commenting on this show.

We also explore exciting industry developments including Podcasthon in March 2026, where podcasters dedicate episodes to charities, and potential global music licensing that could transform podcasting into "the new radio."

Discover how both creators and listeners can benefit from the evolving podcast monetization landscape. Leave us a comment to join the conversation – we'll even pay you a small amount for your thoughts!

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Discoverability and interactivity are significant challenges faced by independent podcasters, as highlighted in this episode's interview with David John Clark of The Late Bloomer Actor podcast, which explores David's creative journey and experiences in podcasting.

In this chat David challenges conventional wisdom about podcast metrics. 'Download numbers do not mean they are listeners', he points out, sharing a revealing anecdote about a TikTok video with 746 plays but only 0.2 seconds average watch time. This stark reality highlights why podcasters need more sophisticated data to truly understand their audience engagement – something platforms like TrueFans are addressing with metrics that measure actual listening time and completion rates.

Sam and Claire also explore the critical importance of your podcast's opening moments, with data suggesting that the first 60 seconds determine whether listeners will return. The advice is clear: avoid meaningless chatter and immediately deliver value.

The episode also unveils TrueFans' new podcast promotion feature, allowing creators to request promotion on other relevant shows – a more targeted and less intrusive alternative to feed drops. This creator-friendly approach gives both requesting and hosting podcasters control over the cross-promotion process, addressing the perennial challenge of discoverability.

Points discussed in this episode include:

• Why some podcasts don't show up on TrueFans – make sure your show is listed at Podcast Index
• How to connect with Creators From TrueFans – we'd love to hear from you
• David John Clark's take on Podcasting 2.0 features
• How TrueFans plans to promote award-winning podcasts
• TrueFans' new podcast promotion feature allows creators to request promotion on other shows
• Upcoming events include London Podcast Festival, Podcast Days in Spain, and various awards opportunities

By providing valuable metrics and features that enhance listener engagement, TrueFans empowers podcasters to better understand their audience and foster meaningful connections. The journey of an independent podcaster is filled with ups and downs, but with the right tools and strategies, creators can navigate these challenges and find success in their podcasting endeavours.

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Independent podcasting is where the industry's creative energy truly thrives, bringing fresh ideas and unique voices to the forefront.

The discussion around this energy takes centre stage in our conversation with Frank Racioppi, founder of Ear Worthy – a publication dedicated to championing indie podcasts in an increasingly corporate landscape. Frank shares his fascinating journey from longtime podcast listener to passionate advocate, explaining why he made the deliberate choice to focus on independent creators rather than network shows.

'It's at the independent podcasting level that there's the greatest creative energy within the industry,' Frank explains, contrasting the formulaic approach of network podcasts with the genre-defying innovation of independent creators. He reveals how removing all paywalls from his content led to a 200% increase in readership – a decision that aligned perfectly with his mission to connect listeners with exceptional indie shows they might otherwise never discover.

Sam explains more about TrueFans' new promotional features designed specifically for independent creators. With a pay-per-action model, podcasters can purchase visibility on the home page header and in category carousels, and pay only for actual engagement – views, clicks, and plays. We also unveil plans for a creator-to-creator promotion system that will enable podcasters to host promotions on their own show pages, creating revenue opportunities while helping fellow indies gain visibility.

Here's some more of what you'll hear in this episode:

• Discoverability remains a significant challenge for independent podcasters, highlighting the importance of platforms dedicated to showcasing their work
• Engagement with audiences through listener support and monetization options can positively impact independent creators' sustainability in the podcasting landscape
• Networking with other independent creators can lead to innovative collaborations and new ideas that benefit everyone involved in the podcasting community
• How to start a promotion on TrueFans
• How TrueFans promotions reporting will work
• Sam and Claire's plan for a new carousel on the TrueFans home page
• Research shows that most podcast listeners only make room for three shows in their weekly routine, emphasizing the importance of consistent publishing
• Nearly half of listeners are unwilling to give podcasts a second chance after a disappointing first impression
• What puts Claire and Sam off shows

Whether you're a seasoned podcaster or just starting out, this episode offers valuable perspective on navigating the complex landscape of independent podcast creation, promotion, and monetization.

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