What happens to taste when algorithms stop us discovering anything unexpected?

In this episode of Compelling, host Katy Wellesley-Wesley sits down with New York-based designer and creative director Rafael de Cárdenas for a wide-ranging conversation on the forces shaping culture, luxury, and design right now. Rafael traces a non-linear path from Calvin Klein to architecture school and, ultimately, a multidisciplinary studio practice spanning interiors, architecture, art advisory, and brand work. Along the way, they discuss everything from pop culture to the development of personal identity.

They also chat about The Hoffman Process and what it changed in Rafael’s leadership, alongside a frank look at politics, Americanness, and how the ‘no rules’ philosophy of America can give rise to both Warhol and Trump.

• (00:00) - Welcome to Compelling
• (02:54) - Growing Up in New York and Finding Subculture
• (07:44) - Calvin Klein, Fashion, and Learning Brand Precision
• (09:24) - Architecture School and the Pull of Alternative Worlds
• (11:00) - Accidental Beginnings and Early Projects
• (12:56) - Interior Design as Drag and Reinventing Space
• (21:16) - Gen X, JFK, and the Shift to Postmodern Culture
• (24:15) - Algorithms, Aspiration, and the Culture of the Lowest Common Denominator
• (27:43) - Europe, America, and Making Sense of Politics and Identity
• (36:06) - The Hoffman Process and Leading with Vulnerability
• (54:04) - Dream Projects, Flash Mobs, and Wonder as a Way of Living

Rafael de Cárdenas: Rafael de Cárdenas is a New York-based designer and creative director, and the founder of Rafael de Cárdenas, Ltd., an interdisciplinary studio working across architectural and interior design and creative direction. Since 2006, Rafael’s practice has spanned residential and commercial projects as well as brand-led work, with recent coverage including a 2025 Architectural Digest feature on a six-storey Manhattan townhouse renovation.

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Katy Wellesley Wesley: With over 18 years of leadership across galleries, foundations, and startups, Katy has built a career shaped by curiosity and a drive to explore new ideas. She spent a decade at leading commercial galleries—first at Gagosian, then at Pace, where she was Director of Exhibitions in London. She went on to lead the Villa Lena Foundation in Italy as Director, before joining the founding team of ROKBOX, a pioneering environmentally focused art logistics startup, as Sales Director. After relocating to Paris six years ago, Katy developed a strong interest in the intersection of art and luxury. To deepen this focus, she recently completed an Executive Master’s in Luxury Management and Design Innovation, a joint program between ESSEC Business School and Parsons School of Design. She now works as a consultant to brands, artists, foundations, and collectors. Among her clients is the legendary art publisher Cahiers d’Art, where she heads Commercial Partnerships.

Compelling is proudly in partnership with Cahiers d’Art.

Compelling is produced in collaboration with Cahiers d’Art, the iconic Paris-based art publisher founded in 1926, home of the Catalogue Raisonné of Picasso and most recently the Frank Gehry Drawings Catalogue Raisonné. At the heart of it's publishing program is the Cahiers d'Art Revue, one of the most significant and longest-standing annual art publications of the last century. In 2026, Cahiers d’Art will celebrate its 100th anniversary with a series of major publications, projects and exhibitions in collaboration with leading global institutions, including the Peggy Guggenheim Collection in Venice, the MoMA in New York City and the Musée Picasso in Paris.

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Art direction by Eddie Harrop Studio
Website and Production by Story Ninety-Four

What happens when a luxury business makes decisions based on people, not spreadsheets?

In this bonus episode of Compelling, Katy Wellesley-Wesley speaks with Vitalie Taittinger about the human logic that sits behind a family-owned Champagne house: choosing distributors for fit and friendship, building long-term relationships, and treating fun and ease of collaboration as real business signals.

The conversation also turns to British wine and Domaine Evremond, Taittinger’s English sparkling wine project in Kent. Vitalie describes the mix of Champagne heritage and local culture, and why doing something slightly disruptive can be a strength when it is grounded in craft and clarity.

Vitalie Taittinger: Vitalie Taittinger is President and CEO of Champagne Taittinger, one of the few major Champagne houses that remains family-owned. Based in Reims, she helps lead the house’s long-term strategy across brand, culture, and international growth, with a focus on stewardship of place and craft. Her background in art and design informs a leadership style rooted in collaboration, experience, and emotional resonance.

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Katy Wellesley Wesley: With over 18 years of leadership across galleries, foundations, and startups, Katy has built a career shaped by curiosity and a drive to explore new ideas. She spent a decade at leading commercial galleries—first at Gagosian, then at Pace, where she was Director of Exhibitions in London. She went on to lead the Villa Lena Foundation in Italy as Director, before joining the founding team of ROKBOX, a pioneering environmentally focused art logistics startup, as Sales Director. After relocating to Paris six years ago, Katy developed a strong interest in the intersection of art and luxury. To deepen this focus, she recently completed an Executive Master’s in Luxury Management and Design Innovation, a joint program between ESSEC Business School and Parsons School of Design. She now works as a consultant to brands, artists, foundations, and collectors. Among her clients is the legendary art publisher Cahiers d’Art, where she heads Commercial Partnerships.

Compelling is proudly in partnership with Cahiers d’Art.

Compelling is produced in collaboration with Cahiers d’Art, the iconic Paris-based art publisher founded in 1926, home of the Catalogue Raisonné of Picasso and most recently the Frank Gehry Drawings Catalogue Raisonné. At the heart of it's publishing program is the Cahiers d'Art Revue, one of the most significant and longest-standing annual art publications of the last century. In 2026, Cahiers d’Art will celebrate its 100th anniversary with a series of major publications, projects and exhibitions in collaboration with leading global institutions, including the Peggy Guggenheim Collection in Venice, the MoMA in New York City and the Musée Picasso in Paris.

Visit Cahiers d’Art

Art direction by Eddie Harrop Studio
Website and Production by Story Ninety-Four

What does it take to lead a centuries-old Champagne house like a startup, without losing what makes it special?

In this episode of Compelling, host Katy Wellesley-Wesley speaks with Vitalie Taittinger, President and CEO of Champagne Taittinger, about independence, legacy, and the long-term thinking that comes with family stewardship. Vitalie reflects on her early ambition to become a painter, the turning point of the 2005 sale of the wider Taittinger group, and why her father’s determination to buy the house back reshaped her own path.

They discuss what it means to build an experience around a brand, from Polychrome, Taittinger’s cultural restaurant concept, to ArsNova, a philanthropic project designed to widen access to beauty, culture, and shared experiences.

• (00:00) - Welcome to Compelling
• (02:53) - The 2005 Sale and a Family Turning Point
• (04:53) - Buying Back the House and Finding Meaning
• (08:02) - Independence, Long-Term Thinking, and Leadership
• (12:12) - Working With Family
• (17:30) - Differentiation and Brand Identity in Champagne
• (20:14) - Polychrome: Culture as Visitor Experience
• (24:29) - ArsNova: Philanthropy, Beauty, and Access
• (31:15) - Drinking Habits, No-and-Low, and Celebration
• (34:14) - Sustainability as Measurement and Change Management
• (37:16) - Advice, Leadership, and the Meaning of Luxury

Vitalie Taittinger: Vitalie Taittinger is President and CEO of Champagne Taittinger, one of the few major Champagne houses that remains family-owned. Based in Reims, she helps lead the house’s long-term strategy across brand, culture, and international growth, with a focus on stewardship of place and craft. Her background in art and design informs a leadership style rooted in collaboration, experience, and emotional resonance.

Visit Taittinger

Katy Wellesley Wesley: With over 18 years of leadership across galleries, foundations, and startups, Katy has built a career shaped by curiosity and a drive to explore new ideas. She spent a decade at leading commercial galleries—first at Gagosian, then at Pace, where she was Director of Exhibitions in London. She went on to lead the Villa Lena Foundation in Italy as Director, before joining the founding team of ROKBOX, a pioneering environmentally focused art logistics startup, as Sales Director. After relocating to Paris six years ago, Katy developed a strong interest in the intersection of art and luxury. To deepen this focus, she recently completed an Executive Master’s in Luxury Management and Design Innovation, a joint program between ESSEC Business School and Parsons School of Design. She now works as a consultant to brands, artists, foundations, and collectors. Among her clients is the legendary art publisher Cahiers d’Art, where she heads Commercial Partnerships.

Compelling is proudly in partnership with Cahiers d’Art.

Compelling is produced in collaboration with Cahiers d’Art, the iconic Paris-based art publisher founded in 1926, home of the Catalogue Raisonné of Picasso and most recently the Frank Gehry Drawings Catalogue Raisonné. At the heart of it's publishing program is the Cahiers d'Art Revue, one of the most significant and longest-standing annual art publications of the last century. In 2026, Cahiers d’Art will celebrate its 100th anniversary with a series of major publications, projects and exhibitions in collaboration with leading global institutions, including the Peggy Guggenheim Collection in Venice, the MoMA in New York City and the Musée Picasso in Paris.

Visit Cahiers d’Art

Art direction by Eddie Harrop Studio
Website and Production by Story Ninety-Four