Public lands are under increasing threat across Wyoming and the West, and once they’re gone, they’re gone. In this episode, I sit down with Zach Lentsch, Co-founder of the new political action committee Protect Wyoming, to talk about the growing push by elected officials to sell or transfer public lands. Zach shares some stories of his childhood. How we got into climbing and what it is was like growing up as the Game Wardens son. We then dive into why protecting public lands matters to hunters, anglers, climbers, hikers, and anyone who values access to the outdoors. From growing up hunting and fishing on public lands to building a life exploring places like the South Fork Valley, I explain why staying silent is no longer an option. This conversation cuts through partisan politics to focus on one shared truth: public lands belong to all of us, and protecting them requires action. Learn how Protect Wyoming is working to educate voters, hold officials accountable, and keep public lands public.

Co-host- Christian Baumeister

In this conversation, Jeff Shapiro reflects on the nature of happiness and the importance of choice in experiencing it. He emphasizes that every moment, whether trivial or dangerous, holds significant value, particularly in the context of time spent with loved ones. Jeff shares personal experiences that have shaped his understanding of life as a privilege, urging listeners to recognize the priceless nature of their time and the moments they share with others.

Jeff Shapiro is a world-class climber, paraglider, and wingsuit BASE jumper whose life revolves around exploring both the physical and mental edges of human experience. With more than three decades of climbing, from first ascents in the Himalaya and Patagonia to bold solo adventures closer to home, Jeff has dedicated his life to understanding risk, mastery, and meaning in the mountains.

He’s one of the rare athletes who moves fluidly between vertical and aerial worlds, viewing both as expressions of art, connection, and mindfulness rather than adrenaline. Jeff’s thoughtful approach to adventure has made him a respected voice in the climbing community, a storyteller, mentor, and seeker whose philosophy centers on awareness, humility, and living deliberately.

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This conversation explores the personal journey of running with Joe Grant, and the evolution of trail running culture. Joe discuss his experiences in the mountains, the importance of community support, and how cultural backgrounds shaped his outdoor pursuits. He reflects on the transition from casual running to professional aspirations, emphasizing the genuine passion that drives his adventures. Aaron Mulkey and Joe Grant explore the profound connection between passion and outdoor activities, emphasizing the importance of enjoying the journey rather than focusing solely on competition. They discuss personal growth through experiences in nature, the evolution of mindset with age, and the significance of being present in the moment. Joe shares insights from his recent expedition, highlighting the lessons learned from embracing flexibility and spontaneity in the wilderness. The conversation culminates in a discussion about future aspirations and the desire to continue growing through new challenges.