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At some point in our lives, we will all have the experience of caring for another person - or of being cared for ourselves. But what exactly is ‘care’, and what do we mean by ‘good’ care? How do our beliefs, identities, and the social, cultural and political contexts in which we live, shape our experience of caring or being cared for? And how can ideas, theories, and the findings from research, help us to think more care-fully – and to care more thoughtfully? Careful Thinking explores these and similar questions, inspired by a belief that thinking critically about care can both deepen our understanding and improve the everyday practice of care. In each episode of the podcast, you'll hear an in-depth conversation with a researcher, writer or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care. If you would like to give us your feedback, or suggest a guest or a topic for a future episode, you can get in touch at carefulthinkingpodcast@gmail.com. And you can leave comments on episodes and join in the discussion at https://carefulthinking.substack.com.Copyright 2026 Martin Robb Ciencia Ciencias Sociales
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  • Death, dying, and the ethics of care - with Iris Parra Jounou

    Death, dying, and the ethics of care - with Iris Parra Jounou
    Mar 2 2026
    What can care ethics contribute to a better understanding of death, dying, and end-of-life care? What would a relational approach to assisted dying look like? And how should care be incorporated into public policy by local and national governments?These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, in conversation with Iris Parra Jounou. Iris is a researcher in care ethics and political philosophy, specialising in end-of-life care. She is an assistant professor in philosophy at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, in Catalonia, Spain, where she was awarded a PhD in 2025 for her thesis entitled ‘Dying in the Relaissance: End-of-Life Practices in a Caring Democracy’. Iris previously studied for bachelor’s degrees in both nursing and humanities, and for a Masters degree in contemporary thought and classical tradition. She is also a published poet and a musician.Iris has published a number of journal articles and book chapters on end-of-life care and assisted dying, and she also has the distinction of having translated key works by the leading American care ethicist Joan Tronto into Catalan. She a contributed a chapter on ‘a care ethics and aesthetics approach to stillbirth and late termination of pregnancy for foetal anomalies’ in the recently-published edited collection Care Aesthetics and the Arts. Iris has edited a new volume on Care Ethics and Public Health, which has been published, in the Peeters Ethics of Care series, since we recorded the episode.We discuss the following topics in this episode:Iris' personal and professional journey to studying the philosophy of care (02:35)Witnessing death and developing an interest in end-of-life care (06:24)Iris' introduction to feminist care ethics (10:55)How Iris came to interview Joan Tronto and translate her books into Catalan (16:22)A brief cultural history of death and dying (19:57)Towards 'an expressive-collaborative model of mortality' using care ethics (24:42)'Dying in the relaissance' (27:46)A relational approach to assisted dying (30:30)The ethical conflicts of implementing medical assistance in dying (34:34)Towards a patient-centred definition of unbearable suffering (39:05)Iris' forthcoming co-edited book on care ethics and public health (44:10)Towards a public ethics of care (47:30)Reflecting on stillbirth, care ethics and care aesthetics through the medium of a literary memoir (50:35)Iris' involvement in poetry and music (57:40)Iris' plans for further research and writing on care (01:01:14)Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episodeNell NoddingsVirginia HeldCarol GilliganHelen KohlenFrans VosmanOlena HankivskyJudith ButlerMargaret Urban WalkerErica Borgstrom (see Episode 9)Ruth LevitasMiguel AbensourSean RileyDavid Rodríguez-AriasTxetxu AusínClaudia GamondiAnna StarobinetsLinks to Iris' some of academic writings in English'End-of-Life Narratives of Patients who Request Medical Assistance in Dying: A Qualitative Study Protocol''Causes for Conscientious Objection in Medical Aid in Dying: A Scoping Review''Care ethics in theory and practice: Joan C. Tronto in conversation with Iris Parra Jounou''For, against, and beyond: healthcare professionals’ positions on Medical Assistance in Dying in Spain''“Suffering Is a Hostage of Healthcare Professionals’ Authority”: Shifting to a Patient-Centered Definition''Look at Him: A care ethics and aesthetics approach to stillbirth and late termination of pregnancy for foetal abnormalities'Iris' translations of works by Joan TrontoQui se'n cuida? Democràcia i cura Poetry by IrisOrianaAl filo (audiopoem)Iris' research projectsINEDyTOPOyETICASYou can download a transcript of the episode by following this link to the Careful Thinking Substack.
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  • A Catholic feminist perspective on care - with Erika Bachiochi

    A Catholic feminist perspective on care - with Erika Bachiochi
    Dec 8 2025
    What can the ideas of an eighteenth-century feminist thinker contribute to contemporary debates around gender and care? How should law and social policy support caregivers and create a better balance between care, work and family life? Is Catholic feminism a contradiction in terms - and if not, what's distinctive about the perspective that it offers on care?These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with Erika Bachiochi. Erika is an American legal scholar who works at the intersection of constitutional law, political theory, women’s history, and Catholic social teaching. She is a Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center - and Professor of Practice and Director of the Mercy Otis Warren Initiative at the School of Economic Thought and Leadership at Arizona State University, where she also serves as Editor-in-Chief of the online journal, Fairer Disputations. A 2018 visiting scholar at Harvard Law School, Erika is a Senior Fellow at the Abigail Adams Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where she founded the Wollstonecraft Project.Erika received a B.A. from Middlebury College in 1996, an M.A. in theology as a Bradley Fellow from the Institute for the Study of Politics and Religion at Boston College in 1999, and a J.D. from Boston University School of Law in 2002. The mother of seven children, Erika was a co-founder of St. Benedict’s, a Catholic classical school in Massachusetts where she served as President of the Board from 2013-2015. She has published numerous articles in legal and political journals and in publications such as The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Atlantic. Erika's book, The Rights of Women: Reclaiming a Lost Vision, which offers a revisionist history of the early women’s rights movement, including a radical reassessment of the work of Mary Wollstonecraft, was published in 2021.We discuss the following topics in this episode:Erika's journey to becoming a legal scholar (03:02)Erika's philosophical, political and spiritual journey (08:33)The rationale for Erika's book The Rights of Women and its focus on Mary Wollstonecraft (17:28) The balance between rights and duties and the emphasis on virtues in Wollstonecraft's thinking (25:56)The lost legacy of first-wave feminism (37:30)Mary Ann Glendon's work on care, families, and social policy (43:35)Erika's critique of feminist care ethics, and her understanding of the distinctive role of fathers in care (49:38)The role of the state in supporting caregiving within families (59:34)A distinctive Catholic feminist position on care (01:03:37)Erika's plans for a sequel to The Rights of Women (01:07:33)Some of the writers, thinkers and activists mentioned in the episode:AristotleCiceroJohn LockeMary WollstonecraftWilliam GodwinJoseph PriestleyRichard PriceAbigail AdamsLucrecia MottJane AddamsSusan B. AnthonySarah Moore GrimkéBetty FriedanRuth Bader GinsburgMary Ann GlendonFranklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR)Eva Feder KittayDorothy DayRachel Coleman Kate PhelanAbigail FavaleLeah Libresco SargeantHolly Lawford-SmithBernie SandersArticles by Erika Bachiochi cited in the episode'Embodied equality: debunking equal protection arguments for abortion rights' (2011)'Embodied caregiving' (2016)'Dobbs, Equality and the Contested Meanings of Women's Rights' (2023)Other publications mentioned in the episode'Declaration of Sentiments' (1848)Mulieris dignitatem (1988)Mary Ann Glendon, Rights Talk: The Impoverishment of Political Discourse (1991)Eva Feder Kittay, Love's Labor: Essays on Women, Equality, and Dependency (1999)'Catholic and Radical Feminism: a dialogue' (Fairer Disputations) (2024)Leah Libresco Sargeant, The Dignity of Dependence: A Feminist Manifesto (2025)Useful linksCatholic Social TeachingCatholic Worker MovementNew DealCommunitarianismNew DemocratsWorld Conference on Women (Beijing, 1995) - and see Mary Ann Glendon's accountYou can download a transcript of the episode by following this link to the Careful Thinking Substack.
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  • Protest, performance, and care - with Alisha Ibkar

    Protest, performance, and care - with Alisha Ibkar
    Nov 9 2025
    What can a protest movement organised by Muslim grandmothers in India teach us about the role of care in political action? In what sense should we understand care as performance and everyday caring activities as artful practices? And how might interpersonal care nurture a wider caring imagination and foster a politics of care?These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with Alisha Ibkar. Originally from Kaliachak in West Bengal, India, Alisha has a Bachelor’s degree in English Literature from Aligarh Muslim University in Uttar Pradesh, and a Master of Arts degree, also in English Literature, from Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. She was a Commonwealth Scholar at the University of Warwick, where she completed a Master’s degree in applied theatre, with her dissertation focusing on the study of ethics and the aesthetics of care in the context of political activism. Alisha is currently a School of Arts, Languages and Cultures doctoral fellow in Theatre and Performance at the Martin Harris Centre for Music and Drama in the University of Manchester. Since 2016 she has also held the post of Assistant Professor of English Literature and Language at Aligarh Muslim University. In Manchester, Alisha is associated with The Care Lab, which is partnered with the AHRC-funded Care Aesthetics Research Exploration (CARE) Project, led by Professor James Thompson, who was my guest in Episode 11 of the podcast.Alisha’s academic research places the burgeoning critical theorisations around the ethics and aesthetics of care in dialogue with socio-political protest movements, a context within which the relevance of caretaking is yet to be studied. Her research engages with women-led social movements in India to examine the extent to which care played a principal role, with her understanding of care emerging from Muslim women’s cultural and domestic practices of care. Through her work, Alisha seeks a decolonial reorientation, not only within care theory and scholarship, but also within political performance.Alisha has published articles about her research in The Sociological Review and in Theatre Journal, and she has contributed a chapter entitled ‘On the art of Khidmat; political afterlives of Muslim women's everyday practices of care’ to a forthcoming collection on Care Aesthetics and the Arts, edited by Kate Maguire-Rosier, Réka Polonyi andJames Thompson.,We discuss the following topics in this episode:Alisha's early life in West Bengal and how it shaped her thinking about care and community (03:26)The importance of education in Alisha's upbringing and her choice of English Literature as a focus for her studies (07:43)The roots of Alisha's interest in theatre and performance (11:53)Alisha's critical engagement with feminist writers on care (14:11)The protest against the Citizenship Amendment Act in India (18:15)The Shaheen Bagh protest and Alisha's relationship to it (21:52)The ethos of care underlying the protest (25:10)The practical care structures at Shaheen Bagh (30:42)Care as performance (33:35)The role of repetition and perpetuation in the performance of care (36:25)Everyday caring activities as artful practices (41:21)Storytelling as an ethical and aesthetic practice (46:21)Interpersonal care nurturing a wider caring imagination (51:34)The implications of Shaheen Bagh for thinking about protest as a form of care (57:18)Shaheen Bagh as 'a template for a caring state' (01:01:30)Alisha's involvement in The Care Lab and the CARE project in Manchester (01:05:40)Some of the writers, thinkers and practitioners mentioned in the episodeLila Abu-LughodSaba MahmoodSherine HafezMaurice Hamington (see Episode 6)Carol GilliganJoan TrontoVirginia HeldNel NoddingsDaniel EngsterKathleen LynchElla MyersBettany HughesAmina WadudAmira MittermaierHeba Raouf EzzatHi'ilei HobartMia Sosa-Provencio (see Episode 19)Sharankumar LimbaleSarah Munawar (see Episode 13)Réla PolonyiKate Maguire-RosierJenny HarrisElisa Imray PapineauJ.L.AustinDaryl MartinOther linksJatra (Bengali folk theatre)The Shaheen Bagh protest'Land of My Dreams' (film by Nausheen Khan)The Care CollectiveYou can download a transcript of the episode by following this link to the Careful Thinking Substack.
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