But how are we gonna test this? Ep 88

This week in the MoTaverse, we welcome a first-time co-host as Nataliia Burmei joins Demi van Malcot to help unpack the latest updates in the world of software testing and quality engineering.

From rare atmospheric events to the rise of AI-powered agents, accessibility legislation, and the enduring mystery of "how many testers are there in the world?" — this episode is packed with reflections, insights, and a healthy bit of crowd-tested humour.

We also hear from voices across the testing community — including Christine Pinto, Javier Aguirre Flores, Sarah Byng, Ashutosh Mishra, Judy Mosley, and Gary Hawkes — as they share wins, roadblocks, and real-world strategies for communicating quality, managing test environments, and staying sane in the face of failing CI pipelines.

There’s even a shout about speaking nerves, conference talks, and a classic testing moment: “But how are we going to test this?” (Yes, someone finally asked it in sprint planning.)

If you’ve ever had to explain the value of testing, balance team buy-in, or simply survive flaky tests with a strong cup of tea, this one’s for you.