If you’re tired of “just run more ads” advice that drains your budget and your energy, this episode of the BizBlend Podcast hosted by Sana is for you. We dig into why relationship-driven sales systems can compound over time—while ad-only growth can feel like feeding a machine that never stops.This conversation is for founders, sales leaders, and service providers who want sustainable deal flow, clearer metrics, and less chaos. Jaben Makings breaks down how he scaled a real estate investment business with zero ad spend by going where sellers already go—and why structure, not workload, is often the real burnout issue.About the Guest:Jaben Makings runs Onyx Investments, a real estate investment company built on partnerships with realtors rather than paid ads. He focuses on repeatable relationship systems, measurable sales activity, and structured time-blocking to reduce burnout.Episode Chapter:03:06 — Why relationship-driven sales can beat ads long-term06:41 — “Go where sellers already go”: partnering with agents09:31 — The actual system: cold calls, texts, and on-market listing calls11:33 — Follow-up is the real money: why deals rarely close on call one19:16 — How to measure relationships like ads: talk time, conversations, offers24:04 — Burnout isn’t always workload: it’s often lost structureKey Takeaways:Build distribution where your customers already go (agents, partners, ecosystems).Use a simple 3-lane outreach system: cold call, cold text, and listing-based calls.Treat follow-up as the main job: most wins happen after multiple contacts.Track inputs daily (talk time, conversations, qualified contacts) to control outcomes.Reduce burnout with structure: 60–90 minute time blocks beat constant reaction mode.Avoid “shiny object syndrome”: commit long enough to refine systems before pivoting.How to Connect With the Guest:Instagram: jaben.makings — DM the word “Sana” to receive his agent-calling scripts.🎙️ Want to Be a Guest on Healthy Mind, Healthy Life?Send me a direct message on PodMatch.👉 DM Me Here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/avik🌱 About Healthy Mind By Avik™️Healthy Mind By Avik™️ is a global platform redefining mental health as a necessity, not a luxury. Born during the pandemic, it has become a sanctuary for healing, growth, and mindful living. Hosted by Avik Chakraborty storyteller, survivor, and wellness advocate the platform now reaches 200K+ global listeners across 6000+ episodes, uniting voices, breaking stigma, and reminding us that every story matters.👉 Subscribe and be part of this healing journey.Refer a GuestKnow someone who would be a great fit for one of our podcast shows? Email us at services@podhealth.club with the subject line “Refer a Guest.” Requests without this subject line cannot be catered to.Support Our Podcast: Support this Podcast📬 Contact & LinksBrand: Healthy Mind By Avik™️Email: avik@podhealth.club | services@podhealth.clubWebsite: https://www.podhub.club/Based in: India & USA🎧 All Podcast Shows: https://podcreatorsnetwork.transistor.fm/shows 🤝 Be a Guest: https://www.podhub.club/beaguest📩 Newsletter: https://healthymindbyavik.substack.com/🤝 Join Our LinkedIn CommunityConnect with a global community focused on mental health, wellness, and personal growth. Join meaningful conversations, discover insights from experts, and grow alongside like-minded individuals.👉 Join the LinkedIn Community: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/14498362/📌 Disclaimer - This episode is for educational and informational purposes only. The views expressed are the personal opinions of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views of the host or Healthy Mind By Avik™️. We do not intend to harm, defame, or discredit any person, organization, brand, product, country, or profession mentioned. All third-party media remains the property of their respective owners and is used under fair use for informational purposes. By listening, you acknowledge and accept this disclaimer.#podmatch #healthymindbyavik #podhub.club #BizBlendPodcast #SalesSystems #RelationshipMarketing #B2BSales #LeadGeneration #Partnerships #RealEstateInvesting #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategy #EntrepreneurMindset #BurnoutRecovery #TimeBlocking #FounderLife #SustainableGrowth
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