REBROADCAST: 086–Robert is still recovering from hip surgery and Lyle Morriseau from Sagkeeng First nation sits in on the interview with the author of “Future on Fire, Capitalism and the Politics of Climate Change,” by David Camfield (Part 2 of 2 episodes). This book argues that mass social movements can force governments to make the changes we need to achieve climate justice. With climate change already affecting many people worldwide, governments only talk about limiting global heating to 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels. Greenhouse gas emissions continue to increase which by the end of this century will achieve disastrous consequences. Eric and Robert ask the author to elaborate on different topics found in his book.

David Campfield reiterates that a transition away from fossil fuels to renewable energy will not be delivered by business people and politicians that mainly support the fossil fuel industry. Moreover, electing green leaders will not necessarily help to overcome capitalists and bureaucrats that continually place roadblocks to the energy transition. David argues that mass social movements do have the potential to force governments to support the energy transition and that even a ravaged planet is worth fighting for. At the end, David believes that the solution to climate change which is a consequence of capitalism is a transition to ecosocialism.