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Jeff and TJ sit down with Enneagram author Steph Barron Hall to rethink everything we’ve been told about arrows.

Instead of simple “disintegration and growth” lines, Steph walks us into high side/low side movement in both directions, the role of Soul Child / recovery points, and how arrows actually support transformation when paired with balance in the three centers. Along the way we talk stress versus security as motive-based experiences, “unintentional drift” versus intentional movement, and why some stress is the resistance we need to grow.

This week, Katie talks to Sara, a local friend she met at one of her weekly Enneagram classes. We discuss medical school, DOING vs BEING, and what it feels like to subject yourself to constant comparison against other people (and maybe how to get out of it).

There is some scratchy audio in the first five minutes of this podcast, but I promise that it quickly gets fixed!

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Jeff and TJ sit down with Enneagram teacher and Enneagram theorist Joey Schewee, author of the upcoming When Working Together Doesn’t Work: An Enneagram Guide to Productive Relationships with Coworkers.

Together they dig into mistyping: what it really means to know your type, why some numbers mistype more than others, and how gut, heart, and head play into landing on the right story about yourself.

Joey makes the case for paying far more attention to stress moves, stance, and reference point (and far less to tests, memes, and subtype hype), and the three explore why narrative teaching and “aha” moments matter more than any online quiz for finding your true type and using it for real growth.

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In this episode, Kristin Messegee sits down with ATC host Jeff Cook to learn Type One from the inside out.

They start with the inner critic—“like being tumbled by a six-foot wave”—and why Ones wish for an edit button in real life. Jeff shares how verbal processing helps his intuition lock in, what agency feels like in the body (“gliding on glassy water”), and how anger becomes usable energy instead of something to hide.

They also explore autonomy, black-and-white thinking, resentment and “memorizing sins,” the pull to problem-solve over connect, avoiding grief, and the grounding question: What’s mine to do?

If you want concrete tells for spotting One dynamics—in stress, in security, and in relationships—this conversation delivers.

Katie sits down with Veronica, a 32-year-old Enneagram One and R&D scientist in Chicago, to trace how Ones learn to trust their gut, make room for gray, and respond to what’s needed. Veronica shares her path into the Enneagram, the “responsive stance” in a family with no assertive types, and why Ones often look “negative” when they’re actually reaching for what could be better.

They compare One and Six problem-solving, One and Three achievement, and talk anger as “what happens when things don’t go your way”—and what to do with it. Veronica names how therapy helped her drop performative goodness, navigate work mistakes without collapse, and show up for people over perfection.

Money Quote : “I don’t want to be right—I want to know what is right.”

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In this episode, Kristin Messegee sits down with ATC host Jeff Cook to learn Type One from the inside out.

They start with the inner critic—“like being tumbled by a six-foot wave”—and why Ones wish for an edit button in real life. Jeff shares how verbal processing helps his intuition lock in, what agency feels like in the body (“gliding on glassy water”), and how anger becomes usable energy instead of something to hide.

They also explore autonomy, black-and-white thinking, resentment and “memorizing sins,” the pull to problem-solve over connect, avoiding grief, and the grounding question: What’s mine to do?

If you want concrete tells for spotting One dynamics—in stress, in security, and in relationships—this conversation delivers.

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In this episode, Jeff sits down with author and Enneagram Seven Christa Harden ("Enneagram in Marriage") to unpack how the three instincts—self-preserving, one-to-one, and social—shape relationships.

They trace why self-care isn’t selfish but foundational, how biology meets typology, and why balance across instincts matters more than “being a subtype.”

Guest

Krista Harden is a writer and podcaster (Enneagram in Marriage) with two decades of couples work. She’s currently writing a book on instincts and relationships. You can connect with her HERE.

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Up next, 2s!

Rebecca Dollard, founder of The Motherhood Mentor, is a somatic healing practitioner that helps high-achieving women and mothers who “have it all together” but feel disconnected inside. Through somatic healing, nervous-system-based coaching, and enneagram she guides them to expand their capacity, soften their edges, and lead with power and presence.

Links: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-motherhood-mentor/id1735994095

P.S. for anyone who may have noticed, we've skipped 1s. We will release the episode on 1s later on in this series, we promise!