Apocalypse Now | Interview: Ross Douthat

Ross Douthat of the New York Times joins Jonah Goldberg to ruminate over the resilience of American democracy, Pope Leo XIV, postliberalism, and Douthat’s recent conversation with Peter Thiel. Plus: their thoughts on wokeness, the Antichrist, and performative apocalypticism. Show Notes:—Ross Douthat's podcast, "Interesting Times"—Ross Douthat's book, Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream—Jonah’s Los Angeles Times column, “Elon Musk’s America Party is a long shot" The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including Jonah’s G-File newsletter, regular livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices