Bret and Nirmal discuss the intersection of AI agents and DevOps with Solomon Hykes, co-founder of Dagger and Docker. Solomon introduces Container Use, an open-source MCP server that gives coding agents isolated, containerized environments to work in, solving the critical problem of agents interfering with each other when running on the same system.

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We examine the emerging MCP ecosystem and its potential trajectory, drawing parallels to how containers evolved from developer tools to infrastructure platforms. Solomon warns about the rapid "gatekeeping" phase already happening with MCP, where vendors rush to lock down and monetize what started as an open developer innovation space.

Other topics we touch on are: the four core components of agentic workflows, security challenges with untrusted text injection (the new "SQL injection" problem), token cost management, and the importance of balancing proprietary AI services with open-source infrastructure layers.

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Creators & Guests

• Bret Fisher - Host
• Beth Fisher - Producer
• Cristi Cotovan - Editor
• Nirmal Mehta - Host
• Solomon Hykes - Guest

• (00:00) - Intro
• (07:11) - MCP Server and Integration
• (16:57) - Future of CI/CD and Agentic Workflows
• (20:22) - Four Areas of Concern
• (26:15) - The New Gatekeepers
• (47:09) - Token Costs vs Efficiency
• (48:49) - Balancing Open Source and Proprietary Systems
• (49:27) - The Rise of Kubernetes and MCP
• (50:21) - Security Concerns with LLMs and MCP
• (55:39) - Advice for Developers in a Rapidly Changing Landscape
• (59:11) - Introducing Container Use into Your Workflow
• (01:02:29) - The Future of AI and DevOps
• (01:09:17) - Coding Agent Blind Spots
• (01:13:43) - Scaling with Dagger and Kubernetes
• (01:15:47) - The Dagger Community

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Bret and Nirmal explore AI agents in Kubernetes with Eitan Yarmush, Senior Architect at Solo.io. Eitan explains how AI agents work through three simple components (system prompts, LLMs, and tools), and demonstrates the kagent project, which provides a Kubernetes-native way to deploy and manage AI workflows.

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We also address the challenges including security concerns (MCP lacks built-in security standards), cost considerations, and technical limitations like context window constraints.

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Creators & Guests

• Bret Fisher - Host
• Beth Fisher - Producer
• Cristi Cotovan - Editor
• Nirmal Mehta - Host
• Eitan Yarmush - Guest

• (00:00) - Intro
• (06:13) - Hype vs Reality
• (08:05) - Incident Response and Debugging
• (11:23) - Defining Agents and MCP
• (17:10) - Where Do You Run Agents?
• (20:14) - What Problem does kagent Solve?
• (30:42) - Authentication and Tool Limitations

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Bret and Nirmal are at KubeCon London and record their ideas about how AI Agents are about to change DevOps, platform engineering, SRE, automation, troubleshooting, and more.

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Creators & Guests

• Bret Fisher - Host
• Beth Fisher - Producer
• Cristi Cotovan - Editor
• Nirmal Mehta - Host

• (00:00) - Intro
• (03:10) - Understanding AI Agents
• (09:53) - The Future of AI in DevOps
• (17:08) - Concluding Thoughts and Future Episodes

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