Agentic AI, Governance, and the Future of Work Inside the Enterprise

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Are today’s AI tools actually doing the work, or are they still sitting on the sidelines offering advice that humans have to act on?

In this episode of the AI at Work podcast, I sat down with Oren Michels, Founder and CEO of Barndoor AI, to explore why so much enterprise AI still feels stuck in what he calls “advisor mode.” We talked about the gap between AI that summarizes and AI that acts, and why that distinction matters far more to knowledge workers than most leaders realize. Oren drew on his experience building Mashery during the early days of APIs, drawing a clear parallel between then and now, when powerful technology exists but remains inaccessible to the people who actually need to use it.

We spent a lot of time unpacking what true agentic AI really means inside the enterprise. For Oren, it is not about smarter chatbots or recycled RPA workflows, but about agents that can safely take action inside systems like Salesforce, CRMs, and other tools of record. We discussed why so many AI initiatives fail to deliver ROI, and why the missing skill is often not prompt engineering, but the ability to break real business problems into clear, executable instructions that an AI agent can actually follow.

Governance became a central theme in our conversation, especially as we dug into the Model Context Protocol, or MCP. While MCP is emerging as a powerful standard for connecting AI to enterprise tools, Oren explained why it also introduces new security, cost, and control challenges if left unchecked. We explored why governance should act as a launchpad rather than a brake, how least-privilege access changes the conversation, and why the most important question is not how a model was trained, but what it can do with access right now.

If you are thinking seriously about agentic AI, enterprise adoption, or how to prevent “bring your own AI” from becoming the next wave of shadow IT, this episode will give you a grounded, experience-led perspective on what actually needs to change inside organizations. As AI agents begin to operate at speed and scale across core systems, are your guardrails designed to stop progress, or to make it possible to move forward with confidence?

I would love to hear your thoughts after listening. How close do you think we really are to AI that acts, not just advises?

Useful Links

• Connect with Oren Michels
• Learn more about Barndoor AI

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