What happens when you mix psychedelics with some of the most fearsome waves on Earth?
What does it take to stay curious, joyful, and deeply alive—well into your 70s?

In this wide spanning conversation, legendary surfer Jock Sutherland joins Ageless Athlete to talk about the radical experiences, deep values, and spiritual practices that shaped his life—from surfing Pipeline in the 1960s to climbing mango trees and sharing fruit with neighbors at 77.

Raised off-grid on Oʻahu, Jock came of age paddling rivers, spearfishing, and spending summers with the “Hermit of Kalalau.” His mother, Audrey Sutherland—a pioneering solo paddler—raised him on a handwritten list of survival skills that included everything from “save someone drowning with available equipment” to “dance with any age.”

Jock opens up about:

• His early experiments with LSD, and why surfing while high never replaced the clarity of presence
• Why he left surfing at the height of his fame to join the Army
• The life lessons he learned from injury, reinvention, and working as a roofer for over 50 years
• How community, fruit bartering, and stretching classes help him age well
• And what it means to stay in love with movement, the ocean, and learning—at any age

This is a conversation about psychedelics, surfing, reinvention, and awe—but more than anything, it’s about how to live with wonder, even as the decades pass.

🔥 Topics & Timestamps

0:00 – The sourdough, marmalade, and mango trade that fuels Jock’s mornings
5:00 – What it means to be the “one-man fruit distributor of Oʻahu”
13:00 – Summers with the Hermit of Kalalau and Audrey Sutherland’s list of life skills
22:00 – Surfing Pipeline: early fear, speed, and beauty
30:00 – LSD, consciousness, and why surfing high didn’t last
38:00 – Leaving pro surfing to join the Army
48:00 – Rooftops, reinvention, and building a different kind of life
58:00 – Staying active at 76: stretching, herbs, and still surfing
1:05:00 – On legacy, parenting, and feeling unfinished
1:10:00 – “Too old to start?” Jock’s answer
1:14:00 – The billboard message he’d leave for Hawaiʻi

📚 References & Mentions

• Audrey Sutherland’s list of life skills: via The New Yorker
  
  
• Let My People Go Surfing by Yvon Chouinard (Patagonia
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• Fierce Grace – Documentary on Ram Dass
• The Duke Kahanamoku Invitational Surfing Championship
• Thai herbal supplements mentioned by Jock (no official site – listeners should research independently)

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After 60 years in the weight room, Dan John has distilled fitness down to its essence:
Move well. Lift often. Walk every day. Recover deeply.

In this conversation, Dan joins host Kush Khandelwal to share the universal rules for staying strong and mobile through every decade — especially for climbers, runners, and outdoor athletes looking to balance performance and longevity.

They unpack how fit literally means “to knit” — body, mind, and life woven together — and how that philosophy can guide everything from how you train and eat to how you recover and show up for others.

Topics include:

• How to train for decades without breaking down or burning out
• The six fundamental movement patterns for lifelong mobility
• How to integrate mobility into your strength sessions — without extra time
• Walking as a cornerstone of strength and recovery
• How to structure strength training alongside endurance sports
• The art of recovery and “everyday strength”
• Why ritual matters more than motivation
• The difference between hurt, injury, and agony — and how to manage each
• Dan’s blunt but liberating three rules: Don’t get fat. Don’t get debt. Don’t stop walking.

This is a conversation about strength, yes — but also about meaning, consistency, and how to build a body and life that last.

📚 REFERENCES & RESOURCES MENTIONED

🧭 Dan John Resources

• Website: https://danjohnuniversity.com/
  
  
• YouTube: Dan John Strength Coach
  
  
• Articles & Programs: available through DanJohn University

📘 Books by Dan John

• 40 Years With a Whistle — Reflections on coaching, teaching, and staying curious
• Never Let Go — Essays on strength, life lessons, and long-term consistency
• Easy Strength (with Pavel Tsatsouline) — How to get stronger by doing less, smarter
• Attempts: Essays on Fitness, Health, and Long-Term Thinking
• Intervention — A framework for identifying what truly matters in training and life
• From Dad, To Grad, and Beyond — A rare personal collection mentioned during the episode

📗 Other Books & Thinkers Mentioned

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• Life Lessons from a Remarkable Coach: Percy Cerutty by Alastair Gunn — On the pioneer who inspired “Easy Strength” principles
• Original Strength by Tim Anderson — Movement resets and mobility foundations (discussed in his “Tonic Thursdays”)
• Gift of Injury by Dr. Stuart McGill — On spinal health and walking as medicine
• Gray’s Anatomy — Referenced when explaining the complexity of wrists, ankles, and small joints

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Imagine growing up in the conservative Deep South, where young women were expected to play it safe

Now imagine trading that world for Himalayan storms, frozen walls, and a seven-year stretch of living out of a Subaru to chase something bigger.

Kitty Calhoun did exactly that. She became the first North American woman to summit Dhaulagiri and the first woman to climb Makalu’s West Pillar—two of the hardest, highest peaks on Earth. Along the way she’s survived avalanches, eight-day storms, and the loneliness of cutting new lines where no woman had before.

But at 65, Kitty’s story isn’t about danger or glory—it’s about clarity. About the discipline, focus, and simplicity that have allowed her to keep climbing, mentoring, and living fully decades after most people would have retired their harness.

In this conversation, we explore:

• Growing up in the Deep South and breaking gender barriers in one of the world’s most male-dominated arenas
• What surviving a Himalayan storm taught her about resilience and priorities
• How seven years of minimalist living shaped her philosophy on focus and freedom
• The difference between chasing summits and finding meaning in the climb itself
• What she’s learned about longevity, humility, and living with purpose at 65

Kitty also shares how she’s passing her lessons forward—through mentoring younger women, climate advocacy, and a renewed connection to simplicity in an age of excess.

This episode is for anyone who’s ever wondered how to stay passionate, grounded, and physically vibrant as the years go by—and how courage can evolve from proving yourself to knowing yourself.

🔑 Takeaways

• Discipline is freedom; simplicity sharpens focus.
• Strength doesn’t fade with age—it refines.
• True leadership is opening doors for others, not standing on top of them.
• The outdoors isn’t an escape—it’s a mirror.

📚 References & Links

• Kitty Calhoun – Protect Our Winters
  
  
• TEDx Talk: “Last Ascents” by Kitty Calhoun
  
  
• Patagonia Profile: Kitty Calhoun
  
  

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