A Black pope, trans rights, pepper spray and Brits abroad

On this week's episode of Over the Top, Under the Radar, Gary and Carys discuss the UK Supreme Court verdict on trans women, media coverage of the Pope's death, the use of pepper spray in young offenders' institutions, and the miraculous survival and rise of Steve Hilton in America.

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