• 82. Rethinking Search: Google vs ChatGPT, Attribution, Audiences and the Future w. Rand Fishkin

  • Mar 11 2025
  • Duración: 51 m
  • Podcast

82. Rethinking Search: Google vs ChatGPT, Attribution, Audiences and the Future w. Rand Fishkin

  • Resumen

  • Digital isn’t what it used to be and neither is marketing. In this episode of Smarter Marketer, James welcomes back industry legend Rand Fishkin, Co-Founder and CEO of Sparktoro, to cut through the noise as they discuss the flawed logic of traditional attribution models, the pitfalls of over-relying on Google and the importance of audience-first marketing to future-proof your digital strategy.

    Key Takeaways:
    • Zero-click searches and AI Search tools - Where is traffic going?
    • The AI hype cycle - Why most marketers are chasing the wrong trends
    • SEO and digital PR strategies - When and why it's vital to invest in PR
    • The hidden challenges of AI data sources and what they mean for marketers
    • How to find and engage your ideal customers through audience research
    • The evolution of social media - How platforms like Facebook, LinkedIn and TikTok are shifting
    • Privacy, data collection and attribution - Why traditional tracking models are failing
    • Brand awareness vs paid advertising - How to strike the right balance


    Guest:

    Rand Fishkin is the co-founder and CEO of SparkToro, a leading audience research software company helping brands discover where their target customers engage online. Prior to founding SparkToro, Rand was the co-founder of Moz, where he built one of the most influential SEO communities in the world.


    He’s also the author of Lost and Founder, a candid look at the startup world and a frequent speaker at global marketing conferences.


    You can follow Rand on LinkedIn.


    Find Us Online:

    James Lawrence LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameslawrenceoz/

    Smarter Marketer Website: https://rocketagency.com.au/smarter-marketer-podcast

    Rocket Agency Website: https://rocketagency.com.au/

    Rocket Agency LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rocket-agency-pty-ltd/


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    About the Podcast:

    This is the definitive podcast for Australian marketers. Join Rocket Agency Co-Founder and best-selling author, James Lawrence in conversation with marketers, leaders, and thinkers about what it takes to be a smarter and more successful marketer.

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