80,000 Hours Podcast

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  • Unusually in-depth conversations about the world's most pressing problems and what you can do to solve them. Subscribe by searching for '80000 Hours' wherever you get podcasts. Hosted by Rob Wiblin and Luisa Rodriguez.
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  • Serendipity, weird bets, & cold emails that actually work: Career advice from 16 former guests

    Serendipity, weird bets, & cold emails that actually work: Career advice from 16 former guests
    Apr 24 2025

    How do you navigate a career path when the future of work is uncertain? How important is mentorship versus immediate impact? Is it better to focus on your strengths or on the world’s most pressing problems? Should you specialise deeply or develop a unique combination of skills?

    From embracing failure to finding unlikely allies, we bring you 16 diverse perspectives from past guests who’ve found unconventional paths to impact and helped others do the same.

    Links to learn more and full transcript.

    Chapters:

    • Cold open (00:00:00)
    • Luisa's intro (00:01:04)
    • Holden Karnofsky on just kicking ass at whatever (00:02:53)
    • Jeff Sebo on what improv comedy can teach us about doing good in the world (00:12:23)
    • Dean Spears on being open to randomness and serendipity (00:19:26)
    • Michael Webb on how to think about career planning given the rapid developments in AI (00:21:17)
    • Michelle Hutchinson on finding what motivates you and reaching out to people for help (00:41:10)
    • Benjamin Todd on figuring out if a career path is a good fit for you (00:46:03)
    • Chris Olah on the value of unusual combinations of skills (00:50:23)
    • Holden Karnofsky on deciding which weird ideas are worth betting on (00:58:03)
    • Karen Levy on travelling to learn about yourself (01:03:10)
    • Leah Garcés on finding common ground with unlikely allies (01:06:53)
    • Spencer Greenberg on recognising toxic people who could derail your career and life (01:13:34)
    • Holden Karnofsky on the many jobs that can help with AI (01:23:13)
    • Danny Hernandez on using world events to trigger you to work on something else (01:30:46)
    • Sarah Eustis-Guthrie on exploring and pivoting in careers (01:33:07)
    • Benjamin Todd on making tough career decisions (01:38:36)
    • Hannah Ritchie on being selective when following others’ advice (01:44:22)
    • Alex Lawsen on getting good mentorship (01:47:25)
    • Chris Olah on cold emailing that actually works (01:54:49)
    • Pardis Sabeti on prioritising physical health to do your best work (01:58:34)
    • Chris Olah on developing good taste and technique as a researcher (02:04:39)
    • Benjamin Todd on why it’s so important to apply to loads of jobs (02:09:52)
    • Varsha Venugopal on embracing uncomfortable situations and celebrating failures (02:14:25)
    • Luisa's outro (02:17:43)

    Audio engineering: Ben Cordell, Milo McGuire, Simon Monsour, and Dominic Armstrong
    Content editing: Katy Moore and Milo McGuire
    Transcriptions and web: Katy Moore
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  • #215 – Tom Davidson on how AI-enabled coups could allow a tiny group to seize power

    #215 – Tom Davidson on how AI-enabled coups could allow a tiny group to seize power
    Apr 16 2025
    Throughout history, technological revolutions have fundamentally shifted the balance of power in society. The Industrial Revolution created conditions where democracies could flourish for the first time — as nations needed educated, informed, and empowered citizens to deploy advanced technologies and remain competitive.Unfortunately there’s every reason to think artificial general intelligence (AGI) will reverse that trend. Today’s guest — Tom Davidson of the Forethought Centre for AI Strategy — claims in a new paper published today that advanced AI enables power grabs by small groups, by removing the need for widespread human participation. Links to learn more, video, highlights, and full transcript. https://80k.info/tdAlso: come work with us on the 80,000 Hours podcast team! https://80k.info/workThere are a few routes by which small groups might seize power:Military coups: Though rare in established democracies due to citizen/soldier resistance, future AI-controlled militaries may lack such constraints. Self-built hard power: History suggests maybe only 10,000 obedient military drones could seize power.Autocratisation: Leaders using millions of loyal AI workers, while denying others access, could remove democratic checks and balances.Tom explains several reasons why AI systems might follow a tyrant’s orders:They might be programmed to obey the top of the chain of command, with no checks on that power.Systems could contain "secret loyalties" inserted during development.Superior cyber capabilities could allow small groups to control AI-operated military infrastructure.Host Rob Wiblin and Tom discuss all this plus potential countermeasures.Chapters:Cold open (00:00:00)A major update on the show (00:00:55)How AI enables tiny groups to seize power (00:06:24)The 3 different threats (00:07:42)Is this common sense or far-fetched? (00:08:51)“No person rules alone.” Except now they might. (00:11:48)Underpinning all 3 threats: Secret AI loyalties (00:17:46)Key risk factors (00:25:38)Preventing secret loyalties in a nutshell (00:27:12)Are human power grabs more plausible than 'rogue AI'? (00:29:32)If you took over the US, could you take over the whole world? (00:38:11)Will this make it impossible to escape autocracy? (00:42:20)Threat 1: AI-enabled military coups (00:46:19)Will we sleepwalk into an AI military coup? (00:56:23)Could AIs be more coup-resistant than humans? (01:02:28)Threat 2: Autocratisation (01:05:22)Will AGI be super-persuasive? (01:15:32)Threat 3: Self-built hard power (01:17:56)Can you stage a coup with 10,000 drones? (01:25:42)That sounds a lot like sci-fi... is it credible? (01:27:49)Will we foresee and prevent all this? (01:32:08)Are people psychologically willing to do coups? (01:33:34)Will a balance of power between AIs prevent this? (01:37:39)Will whistleblowers or internal mistrust prevent coups? (01:39:55)Would other countries step in? (01:46:03)Will rogue AI preempt a human power grab? (01:48:30)The best reasons not to worry (01:51:05)How likely is this in the US? (01:53:23)Is a small group seizing power really so bad? (02:00:47)Countermeasure 1: Block internal misuse (02:04:19)Countermeasure 2: Cybersecurity (02:14:02)Countermeasure 3: Model spec transparency (02:16:11)Countermeasure 4: Sharing AI access broadly (02:25:23)Is it more dangerous to concentrate or share AGI? (02:30:13)Is it important to have more than one powerful AI country? (02:32:56)In defence of open sourcing AI models (02:35:59)2 ways to stop secret AI loyalties (02:43:34)Preventing AI-enabled military coups in particular (02:56:20)How listeners can help (03:01:59)How to help if you work at an AI company (03:05:49)The power ML researchers still have, for now (03:09:53)How to help if you're an elected leader (03:13:14)Rob’s outro (03:19:05)This episode was originally recorded on January 20, 2025.Video editing: Simon MonsourAudio engineering: Ben Cordell, Milo McGuire, Simon Monsour, and Dominic ArmstrongCamera operator: Jeremy ChevillotteTranscriptions and web: Katy Moore
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    3 h y 23 m
  • Guilt, imposter syndrome & doing good: 16 past guests share their mental health journeys

    Guilt, imposter syndrome & doing good: 16 past guests share their mental health journeys
    Apr 11 2025
    "We are aiming for a place where we can decouple the scorecard from our worthiness. It’s of course the case that in trying to optimise the good, we will always be falling short. The question is how much, and in what ways are we not there yet? And if we then extrapolate that to how much and in what ways am I not enough, that’s where we run into trouble." —Hannah BoettcherWhat happens when your desire to do good starts to undermine your own wellbeing?Over the years, we’ve heard from therapists, charity directors, researchers, psychologists, and career advisors — all wrestling with how to do good without falling apart. Today’s episode brings together insights from 16 past guests on the emotional and psychological costs of pursuing a high-impact career to improve the world — and how to best navigate the all-too-common guilt, burnout, perfectionism, and imposter syndrome along the way.Check out the full transcript and links to learn more: https://80k.info/mhIf you’re dealing with your own mental health concerns, here are some resources that might help:If you’re feeling at risk, try this for the the UK: How to get help in a crisis, and this for the US: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline.The UK’s National Health Service publishes useful, evidence-based advice on treatments for most conditions.Mental Health Navigator is a service that simplifies finding and accessing mental health information and resources all over the world — built specifically for the effective altruism communityWe recommend this summary of treatments for depression, this summary of treatments for anxiety, and Mind Ease, an app created by Spencer Greenberg.We’d also recommend It’s Not Always Depression by Hilary Hendel.Some on our team have found Overcoming Perfectionism and Overcoming Low Self-Esteem very helpful.And there’s even more resources listed on these episode pages: Having a successful career with depression, anxiety, and imposter syndrome, Hannah Boettcher on the mental health challenges that come with trying to have a big impact, Tim LeBon on how altruistic perfectionism is self-defeating.Chapters:Cold open (00:00:00)Luisa's intro (00:01:32)80,000 Hours’ former CEO Howie on what his anxiety and self-doubt feels like (00:03:47)Evolutionary psychiatrist Randy Nesse on what emotions are for (00:07:35)Therapist Hannah Boettcher on how striving for impact can affect our self-worth (00:13:45)Luisa Rodriguez on grieving the gap between who you are and who you wish you were (00:16:57)Charity director Cameron Meyer Shorb on managing work-related guilt and shame (00:24:01)Therapist Tim LeBon on aiming for excellence rather than perfection (00:29:18)Author Cal Newport on making time to be alone with our thoughts (00:36:03)80,000 Hours career advisors Michelle Hutchinson and Habiba Islam on prioritising mental health over career impact (00:40:28)Charity founder Sarah Eustis-Guthrie on the ups and downs of founding an organisation (00:45:52)Our World in Data researcher Hannah Ritchie on feeling like an imposter as a generalist (00:51:28)Moral philosopher Will MacAskill on being proactive about mental health and preventing burnout (01:00:46)Grantmaker Ajeya Cotra on the psychological toll of big open-ended research questions (01:11:00)Researcher and grantmaker Christian Ruhl on how having a stutter affects him personally and professionally (01:19:30)Mercy For Animals’ CEO Leah Garcés on insisting on self-care when doing difficult work (01:32:39)80,000 Hours’ former CEO Howie on balancing a job and mental illness (01:37:12)Therapist Hannah Boettcher on how self-compassion isn’t self-indulgence (01:40:39)Journalist Kelsey Piper on communicating about mental health in ways that resonate (01:43:32)Luisa's outro (01:46:10)Audio engineering: Ben Cordell, Milo McGuire, Simon Monsour, and Dominic ArmstrongContent editing: Katy Moore and Milo McGuireTranscriptions and web: Katy Moore
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