463: Roofers Who Don’t Know Their Numbers Won’t Survive This Market

EPISODE SUMMARYThis episode was recorded during the roofing boom—when being busy hid bad numbers. Today, work is slower and margins are tighter. Dave explains why job costing is now the difference between surviving and disappearing, and why “gut feel” leaves contractors broke even even when they’re busy.EPISODE DESCRIPTIONThis interview was recorded a few years ago when the roofing market was on fire. Phones were ringing, jobs were everywhere, and being busy hid a lot of sins.Today it’s different.Jobs are harder to get. Margins are thinner. And the contractors who don’t truly understand their numbers—what jobs actually make money, what crews are profitable, what their real labor cost is—those companies won’t survive this market.I hear it every week:“Dave, we’re working like crazy… but there’s never any money in the bank.”That’s not bad luck. That’s no job costing.Successful contractors job cost every job. Unsuccessful ones run on gut feel—and in this market, gut feel will put you out of business.In this conversation, Dave Sullivan sits down with construction finance expert Leslie Shiner to break down the simple job costing system profitable roofers use to protect margins and make real decisions.You’ll LearnWhy “gut feel” lies—and cash proves itThe real reason busy roofers still have no moneyHow to calculate true labor cost (labor burden)Paid hours vs billable hours = labor utilizationWhy labor overruns destroy profit faster than materialsHow estimate vs actual fixes bad pricingHow to see which crews and job types make moneyTwo KPIs every roofer must trackTIMESTAMPS00:00 – Why this matters now02:20 – Gut feel vs real profit06:20 – What job costing actually means10:15 – True labor cost & labor burden17:30 – Labor utilization explained24:15 – Estimate vs actual the right way30:25 – Fixing downtime & productivity36:40 – Sales to production handoff40:35 – KPIs that matter44:15 – Improving your systemRESOURCESShiner Group: https://www.shinergroup.comFree Labor Burden Calculator (on Leslie’s site)LINKSWork with Dave / Mentoring: https://theroofercoach.com/mentoring/Free resources: https://theroofercoach.com/resources/Connect with Dave!Text Dave: [phone]Free Strategy CallWant to grow a more profitable roofing business?Book a free strategy call with Dave here → davesullivan.as.me/free-strategy-callFree ResourceDownload your FREE 1-Page Business Plan for Roofing Contractors → theroofercoach.com/planWatch on YouTubeSubscribe for weekly tips and full episodes → @DaveSullivanRooferShowTrusted & Vetted SponsorsRuby ReceptionistsUS-based professionals who answer your phones live, leave a great first impression, and tee up the sale.Get $150 off your first month → theroofercoach.com/rubyProLineAutomate your follow-up and close more jobs with text, email, and CRM integration.Try it FREE + save 50% off your first month with code DAVE50 → useproline.comSMA SupportRoofing-specific virtual assistants who know the business. Free up your time by outsourcing admin, marketing, and customer service tasks → smasupport.usGUESTLeslie Shiner – Shiner Grouphttps://www.shinergroup.com