What does it take to leave a department you’ve spent more than two decades in and start over somewhere new?

In this episode of 4-Star Conversations, Chief Jim Munro shares what it was like to spend 24 years with the Clovis Police Department before making one of the hardest — and best — decisions of his career: moving to Grover Beach to take on a new challenge. Starting as a Commander and later becoming Chief, Jim reflects on the leap of faith that reshaped his leadership perspective.

We talk about leading a young department, mentoring the next generation, and why great leadership isn’t about the size of the agency — it’s about investing in your people. Jim also shares his thoughts on recruitment, wellness, technology, and the unique challenges of leading in a small department.

This is a conversation about courage, adaptability, and what happens when you’re willing to start fresh — even after decades in the profession.

In this episode, we sit down with Chief Jason Salazar of the Visalia Police Department and the current President of the California Police Chiefs Association. Chief Salazar began his career more than 30 years ago as a Community Service Officer, worked his way through every rank, and has now served as Chief for over a decade.

He shares what it is like to grow alongside an organization, navigate shifting relationships as you move into leadership, and lead the same community that shaped you. From defining moments and hard lessons to wellness, mentorship, and the responsibility of balancing local leadership with statewide service, this conversation offers an honest look at leadership built over time.

This episode invites you to reflect on the power of purpose, the importance of consistency, and the connections that sustain a long and meaningful career.

In this episode, retired Chief Neil H. Gang joins us for a candid conversation about legacy, leadership, and what it really means to retire well. After 36 years in law enforcement, including nearly a decade leading the Pinole Police Department, Neil became known for innovative programs, people-first leadership, and creating the Asher Model, an organizational wellness framework now used across the country.

We look back at the moments that shaped his career, from his early days in New Jersey to the experiences that pushed him to champion wellness and culture change. Neil also shares how he prepared to step away from the badge, what surprised him about retirement, and how he continues serving the profession through consulting, speaking, and running his own podcast.

This episode brings clear insight, honest reflections, and practical wisdom for leaders at any stage of their career.

To learn more about 4th Watch Consulting or to connect with Neil directly, reach out at 4thwatchconsulting@gmail.com