If you listen to podcasts, you’re probably familiar with Andy Mills' work. He was a co-creator of The Daily, the award-winning podcast for the New York Times that attracts millions of listeners each week. He’s also created, produced, and edited Rabbit Hole, Caliphate, and The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling, among others. Andy is a deeply thoughtful, intentionally curious human, and that is readily apparent in his newest show, Reflector, co-created with Matthew Boll.

We get into a lot in this conversation, like why has storytelling become increasingly political over the last decade? What happens when politics comes to fill a space in society that religion once did? And how do we get to the truth of an event that involves multiple valid perspectives? If there’s a though line here, it’s a call to reject what Andy calls, “The arrogance of certainty.”

Reflector (Substack) // Reflector (Spotify)

Rabbit Hole

The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling

andymills.work

Andy Mills: Quitting The New York Times and making 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling' - ReasonTV

Andy Mills on How Curiosity Can Save Journalism -- and Us - Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast

Episode 201: Mills Spills (with Andy Mills) - Blocked & Reported

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