# 124, OTOH,, Authors and national Braver Angels leaders Doug Teschner and Beth Malow,, Pt 2, 8-22-25

In part 2 of our conversation with Doug Teschner and Beth Malow, Braver Angels national leaders and authors of a new book ("Beyond the Politics of Contempt: Practical Steps to Build Positive Relationships in Divided Times,") April and Glen explore the role of "conflict entrepreneurs" (Amanda Ripley's term) who profit from or actively seek to divide Americans. They point out the importance of people understanding "how they're being manipulated," and they encourage each of us to ask ourselves, "Am I part of the problem?" or "Am I a conflict enabler?" Despite many current challenges, which are discussed in some detail, the authors express hope for the country's future, asserting that people are "hungry" for solutions and that the "pendulum will swing back." Doug’s work across political divides in the New Hampshire Legislature is described as one example of how to help make positive changes. Doug and Beth urge individuals to take what action they can in their own lives to help move our country back to a better place. Their book launched on September 9th and is available on Amazon and other online outlets. It offers readers many suggestions on how to make meaningful contributions to improving our national dialogue, with numerous stories of how others have taken encouraging steps. See their website for a sample chapter: beyondthepoliticsofcontempt.com.