108 - Centering Learners, Creating Community, with Jaime Escatel and Kyle Rinke

In episode 108, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with Illinois band directors Kyle Rinke and Jaime Escatel to explore what it really means to center learners and cultivate student agency in music classrooms. Kyle shares how his early, competition-driven mindset gradually shifted after realizing that rankings and trophies weren’t building the buy-in or belonging he hoped for. By moving away from chair placements and toward flexible grouping, peer mentorship, and shared leadership opportunities, he found that students not only played better, but felt more valued. Jaime reflects on his time as Kyle’s student teacher and how those experiences shaped his own philosophy: if students feel safe, seen, and connected, the music-making will follow.

Throughout the conversation, Kyle and Jaime offer practical strategies for building community and ownership—from “question of the day” discussions and team-building challenges to student-led warmups, peer teaching, solo auditions decided by the ensemble, and structured opportunities for feedback. They emphasize that student-centered classrooms don’t mean a lack of structure; rather, they require intentional routines, clear expectations, and space for student voice. Most importantly, they remind listeners that this work takes time. When teachers prioritize relationships, create meaningful leadership roles, and invite students into decision-making, they foster not only stronger ensembles, but stronger, more connected young musicians.

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