ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl has spent nearly a decade chronicling Trump–and being attacked by him. Trump has called him “a third-rate reporter,” “a real scumbag,” and worse. But he also keeps picking up Karl’s calls. Karl joins Katie to talk about his new book Retribution: Donald Trump and the Campaign That Changed America and shares sharp, insider insight into Trump’s fixation on revenge, his loyalty-first Cabinet, and how his second term has reshaped the presidency… and the country.

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With the mayoral election days away, Zohran Mamdani takes time out of his campaign to talk with Katie about his vision for New York City. From universal childcare and free buses to rent freezes and city-owned grocery stores, Mamdani explains how he plans to make the country’s most expensive city more affordable—and what leadership looks like in a moment of deep division.

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Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul joins Katie Couric to talk about his new book, Autocrats vs. Democrats: China, Russia, America, and the New Global Disorder. McFaul says America’s retreat from global leadership hasn’t just left a vacuum: it’s helped autocrats like Putin and Xi fill it. So where does that leave democracy? Together, they dig into what happens when the U.S. pulls back, why isolationism is making a comeback, and what it will take to reassert our moral and political leadership on the world stage. It’s a fascinating–and surprisingly hopeful–conversation about power, principle, and possibility.

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