
Fiasco
The American Military Adventure in Iraq
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Narrado por:
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James Lurie
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Thomas E. Ricks
The American military is a tightly sealed community, and few outsiders have reason to know that a great many senior officers view the Iraq war with incredulity and dismay. But many officers have shared their anger with renowned military reporter Thomas E. Ricks, and in Fiasco, Ricks combines these astonishing on-the-record military accounts with his own extraordinary on-the-ground reportage to create a spellbinding account of an epic disaster.
As many in the military publicly acknowledge here for the first time, the guerrilla insurgency that exploded several months after Saddam's fall was not foreordained. In fact, to a shocking degree, it was created by the folly of the war's architects. But the officers who did raise their voices against the miscalculations, shortsightedness, and general failure of the war effort were generally crushed, their careers often ended. A willful blindness gripped political and military leaders, and dissent was not tolerated.
There are a number of heroes in Fiasco; inspiring leaders from the highest levels of the Army and Marine hierarchies to the men and women whose skill and bravery led to battlefield success in towns from Fallujah to Tall Afar, but again and again, strategic incoherence rendered tactical success meaningless. There was never any question that the U.S. military would topple Saddam Hussein, but as Fiasco shows, there was also never any real thought about what would come next. This blindness has ensured the Iraq war a place in history as nothing less than a fiasco.
Fair, vivid, and devastating, Fiasco is an audiobook whose tragic verdict feels definitive.
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"Staggeringly vivid and persuasive...absolutely essential reading." (Michiko Kakutani, The New York Times)
"The best account yet of the entire war." (Vanity Fair)
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Very informative
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The essence of the analysis is that men (and women) wanting to feel dominant exercise their basest need for praise by proclaiming themselves prescient and gifted with the enlightenment of superior beings. This false need to profess self-aggrandizement, this need for machismo comes from a want to be great but when ego rather than analysis rules, the results is flawed. This would be a great study in and of itself if Mr. Ricks stopped there. He ventures further and demonstrates how the self-flagellating are the results of weak leaders, those who cannot assess the prevailing facts, match that to the ethnic milieu, geographic circumstance and needs of the peoples and have an objective and strategic plan to bring about given plan. There are just some people put in power that have not learned to assess and think. They act upon blind faith and grand but unexplained statements.
Mr. Ricks though not only assesses the ailments of the Iraq War, but provides us with what would have worked. Evaluation of the situation into components, projecting of what is reachable – what can be done and accepted and what may have resulted in change that is to our benefit, and how to move out from the war setting from there. This teaching is a gem of learning.
The realizations are valuable; intelligence and virtue are not displayed by bravado and moral turpitude. Mr. Ricks though warned us that just professing intelligence is not enough, one must explain the strategy and the listeners must be able to understand whether the proposed acts are valid undertakings or without substantive reasonableness. In effect, do not follow jingoism. Be rational. I am sorry to say that although this book is more than a decade old; our last Presidential election (2016) was an acceptance of jingoism and a debasement of rational thought. Where are you Socrates when we need you. It seems, Jefferson, Hamilton, Monroe, Adams and Jay, left open one weakness in this otherwise perfect union. Human laziness to assess.
What and Why the War Failed; What Could Have Been
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What did you love best about Fiasco?
This book is very ambitious, trying to show the complexity of the problems facing America in Iraq from the beginning to the end (?) of the conflict and from the lowest private to the President. No book can capture it all, but in the age of unlimited television and press, and the familiarity we all have with our military adventures throughout the world, this book helps to flesh out just how complicated it all is, and how deadly it can be. I am not sure what the author's actual purpose was, but in my mind he bolstered George Washington's advice to the young nation as he was departing when he stated we should stay out of foreign intrigues and wars! His advice could not be more correct for us today.What did you like best about this story?
The detail of description was outstanding. As a former soldier and staffer at the 4 star level and witnessing first hand American invasions and the aftermath, I can assure one and all these are very complex operations that would be hopeless failures with out the outstanding people from top to bottom of our military. Unfortunately, we need some military officers willing to fall on their swords to keep incompetent orders from being published and followed on occasion. We need a few Macarthur's out there.Have you listened to any of James Lurie’s other performances before? How does this one compare?
Excellent reading of the work.What’s the most interesting tidbit you’ve picked up from this book?
I had not read a good description of the transition of forces and the battle for Fallujah. There were excellent.Any additional comments?
As screwed up as this thing got, it is actually less screwed up than:1). The Revolutionary War, 2). The War of 1812; 3). The Civil War; 4). The Mexican American War; 5). The Vietnam War; and even WWII! War is hell! It never goes right, and once the dogs of war are unleashed, no one can predict with certainty the outcome. American's need to restrict the use of American forces to only those situations where clearly our National Security is at risk. As the Author has clearly shown, that was not the case in Iraq. Iraq was an experiment at culture change in the Mid East, only time will tell if it was successful.
The complexity of modern combat
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True is the second or third book I have listened to narrated by James Lurie, who is a phenomenal narrator of topics of military history.
I thought the book itself repeated information several times and lacked a scaffolding structure to keep me situated in time and place and amongst the various characters in the story. A longer introduction of key players and their role in the story, as well as a more frequent elaboration of acronyms used instead of shifting immediately to the abbreviated form would have helped me track the flow of the story better.
Overall a great listen for anyone who is interested in military history.
Informative, and captivating, but could have better structure
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The author, Thomas Ricks is particular about his choice of words, including the word "adventure" in the subtitle, which he uses "in the critical sense of the word". He gives credit where credit is due, almost to a surprising degree, but he also is not afraid to lay blame at the feet of those who were inadequate to the task. He backs up his judgements with historical context, quotes and recollections of military servicemen and women, and with references to military doctrine. I enjoyed the richly detailed accounts of the personalities involved, ranging from the dysfunctional and incompetent to the talented and extremely bright.
I would recommend this book to anyone who is familiar with events in Iraq, but would like a framework for understanding how those events brought us to where we are today. To (grossly) summarize the book -- The U.S. invaded Iraq with no postwar plan and without enough troops to properly occupy the country, and employed an occupation "strategy" which was in contravention of established counterterrorism principles and played right into the hands of Iraqi insurgents. The military eventually changed strategy, but apparently too late to prevent a civil war.
Adventure - in the Critical Sense of the Word
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Would you consider the audio edition of Fiasco to be better than the print version?
I was pleasantly surprised this book was written very objectively. Unlike some historians, he doesn't list too many boring details and he explains the principal characters.If you could give Fiasco a new subtitle, what would it be?
The perfect storm of F* ups.Any additional comments?
If you want to understand how the war got started, this is a great book. The author does a great job of explaining what motivated Bush and his team, and how they fell into many mistakes. If you're looking for a hate Bush book, this is not for you, this book is factual.Very entertaining and enlightening
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Fiasco
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If you want a reminder on how we got into the war in the first few years and really understand the issues at hand, I’d highly recommend this one.
if you forget how this all started....
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Factual and unbiased
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If you could sum up Fiasco in three words, what would they be?
War painfully real.What was one of the most memorable moments of Fiasco?
Build-up was a let down. Lot of good advice ignored.Which character – as performed by James Lurie – was your favorite?
Liked his portrayal of Mattis.If you were to make a film of this book, what would the tag line be?
It really happened.Any additional comments?
Concise high level, juiced with insight. Love Thomas RicksWill refresh you on troubled times, and throw red
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