How to Scare a Fascist w/ Naomi Klein

Naomi Klein has spent her career studying political movements — and she thinks progressives are doing better than we think. Because the fascists are scared.

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In her forthcoming book, End Times Fascism, Klein and co-author Astra Taylor take stock of the history of fascism and the collective power that has been brought to bear to fight it. This time is different. Tech titans accumulated tremendous power and wealth, and are firmly on the side of the fascists. And our information environment is flooded and disoriented. While that might portend a dark outcome, Klein has a different diagnosis. Fascist powers seem angrier and more aggressive than ever; but Klein thinks this is a sign that we are winning.

Further reading & resources:

• The Rise of End Times Fascism by Astra Taylor & Naomi Klein
• On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder
• More about Naomi & Astra’s upcoming book End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World.
• In 2026, We Are Friction-Maxxing by Kathryn Jezzer-Morton, The Cut, Jan 2026
• Technofeudalism: What Killed Capitalism by Yanis Varoufakis
• Walter Benjamin’s Concept of History
• UN expert says world has given Israel ‘licence to torture Palestinians’ — Al Jazeera quoting Francesca Albanese, March 2026
• How The 'Free Helicopter Rides' Meme Went Viral — The Progressive Magazine, September 2023
• Safe or Just Surveilled?: Tawana Petty on the Fight Against Facial Recognition Surveillance — Logic(s) Magazine 2020

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