The RISE Framework: Moving From Surface Talk to Soul-Level Connection

When successful men feel powerful at work but powerless at home, something fundamental is missing. In this episode, Mitchell Osmond, leadership consultant and host of the Dad Nation podcast, shares his journey from rock bottom — facing divorce, depression, and 60 pounds overweight — to creating a framework that helps couples move beyond being "roommates sharing rings." Mitchell introduces the RISE Conversation Ladder, a practical tool for moving from surface-level logistics to genuine emotional intimacy. The four levels—Routine, Information, Story, and Essence—provide a roadmap for the deeper connection your marriage is craving. You'll discover: Why men often struggle with "normative male alexithymia" (lack of words for emotions) and what to do about it The eulogy exercise that creates visceral clarity about the legacy you're building How to ask for "emotional data" in your relationship before crisis hits Why your spouse doesn't need you to fix their feelings—they need you to hear them without flinching Practical questions that open doors to the essence level where true intimacy lives Whether you're the husband struggling to connect or the spouse wanting to understand what's happening, this framework works for everyone. Because the goal isn't just staying under the same roof. It's knowing and being known. RELATED RESOURCES: Mitchell's Website Mitchell's Podcast