#757: How CEOs Create Operational Leverage with Joel Perso

Episode Overview In this Power Hour episode, John Kitchens is joined by Joel Perso for a deep dive into one of the most overlooked growth constraints in real estate businesses: operational chaos. As agents and teams ramp up lead flow, listings, and transactions, most don't realize they're unintentionally building a treadmill instead of a scalable business. John and Joel kick off a multi-week Power Hour series focused on helping agents and team leaders move from production overload to operational clarity—without losing momentum. This episode zeroes in on the single most common operational question agents ask once growth kicks in: Who should I hire first—and why? From admins to operations managers, integrators, and COOs, John and Joel break down each role, when you actually need it, and the costly mistakes teams make when they hire out of order. If your business feels busy but fragile, this conversation will help you close the "back door," protect your pipeline, and start building a business that lasts. Key Topics Covered Conquering Operational Chaos Why growth without operations creates burnout, bottlenecks, and missed opportunities The difference between building a business vs. building a treadmill How operational clarity protects momentum as deal flow increases The Right Hire, in the Right Order Why most teams hire too much responsibility into one role The difference between an admin, operations manager, integrator, and COO How to identify what stage your business is actually in The Admin Role (Where Most Teams Should Start) What an admin should and should not be responsible for Why admins follow processes—not create them Common mistakes that cause admin hires to fail Virtual vs. in-office admin considerations Operations Managers & Scaling Support When an admin is ready to grow into an operations manager role How operations managers turn chaos into order Why this role helps leaders finally "breathe again" Head of Operations vs. Integrator vs. COO Why titles matter—and how they can backfire if misused The danger of inflated titles in small teams Why "Head of Operations" often creates clarity without compensation confusion The real definition of an EOS Integrator—and why most teams aren't ready for one COO Reality Check Why the COO role is defined by the CEO's strengths and weaknesses The 7 types of COOs and which ones show up most in real estate How to decide if you truly need a COO—or just better execution Compensation & Personality Fit Why operations team members value stability over incentives Why bonuses don't motivate ops roles the way they motivate agents Disc profile considerations for operational leadership The importance of tenacity and execution over ideas Resources & Mentions Honey Badger Nation – Community and leadership resources EOS / Traction / Rocket Fuel – Referenced frameworks (with important clarifications) CoachKitchens.ai – AI-powered coaching tool for real estate leaders Joel Perso – The Growth Centric Fractional COO services for 7-figure real estate teams Contact: [e-mail] Final Takeaway More leads don't fix broken operations—they expose them. If you want to scale without chaos, burnout, or constant firefighting, you must hire intentionally, in order, and with clarity. This episode lays the groundwork for building an operational foundation that supports growth instead of suffocating it. "If you don't counterbalance growth with operations, you're not building a business—you're building a treadmill." - John Kitchens Connect with Us: Instagram: @johnkitchenscoachLinkedIn: @johnkitchenscoachFacebook: @johnkitchenscoach If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe and leave a review. Stay tuned for more insights and strategies from the top minds. See you next time! 🔥