6. Transactional or transformational?

In this episode of The Dialog, Josh Craft and Nick Surface ask a deceptively simple question: Are your relationships transactional or transformational? From mass layoffs and shareholder capitalism to marriages and friendships, they explore how modern culture has quietly trained us to treat people like costs instead of investments — and what that does to our souls, our communities, and our view of success.

Drawing on Scripture, Aristotle’s idea of hamartia, and the biblical law of sowing and reaping, Josh and Nick unpack why we so often approach relationships asking, “What do I get out of this?” instead of, “What am I called to give?” They dig into generational patterns of thinking, how we inherit our default philosophy of relationships from our families and culture, and why true transformation begins when we see people as entrusted to us, not leveraged by us.

If you’ve ever felt tension between “protecting your peace” and actually loving people well, this conversation will challenge the way you think about marriage, friendship, leadership, and the purpose of every relationship in your life.

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