S12E6: Data Ownership in the AI Era with Anna Rose, Founder of Vana

Welcome back to another episode of The Room Podcast! This week, we're excited to chat with Anna Kazlauskas, Co-Founder of Vana, a pioneering company creating an alternative to centralized AI monopolies. Vana uses crypto principles like ownership, incentives, and decentralization to build AI models that users collectively own and benefit from, empowering individuals to control their data while earning from its use.

In this enlightening conversation, Anna takes us through her journey from growing up in cold places around the world to her time at MIT's AI lab, and how that led to her vision for data ownership. We explore fascinating concepts like Data DAOs (which Anna compares to labor unions for your data), the emergent "DataFi" category, and how Vana enables users to pool their data to create more powerful AI models than any company could build. Anna shares invaluable insights on fundraising across both crypto and AI spaces, emphasizing the importance of aligning with investors on long-term vision. Tune in for a glimpse into how the future of data ownership could revolutionize our relationship with technology.

(00:00) Introduction
(03:57) Where did Anna grow up, and how has that shaped her view of the world?
(05:25) Did Anna always think she was going to become a founder?
(06:58) How did Anna go from just building in general to building in a tech-forward way at MIT?
(08:44) What research did Anna ultimately do during her time at MIT's CSAIL?
(11:02) How did Anna's insight around the power of data lead to iAmbic, her YC batch 2018 startup?
(14:21) How did Anna's experience at Celo shape her understanding of decentralization and data ownership?
(16:52) How did Anna decide to start something again and commit to a five-to-ten-year journey?
(18:14) Why should users care about Vana creating an alternative to centralized AI monopolies?
(21:56) What kind of compensation models is Anna exploring for users who contribute their data?
(24:30) To what extent does Anna feel big tech companies will start to empower users with their data to compete with the unionization DAO approach?
(27:20) Who was the first person to say yes to investing in Anna?
(31:30) How has Anna navigated constantly evolving her story and telling that to both customers and investors?
(34:41) What are some of the product and company-wide milestones that Anna is excited about looking into 2025 and beyond?
(37:19) What degree of technical feasibility, from a crypto native perspective, is Anna seeing from these builders?
(39:15) What is something Anna is most excited for that Vana will be launching later this year?
(41:13) Who is a woman in Anna's life that has had a profound impact on her and her career?

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