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The Leader Learner Podcast

By: Theresa Destrebecq & Vincent Musolino
  • Summary

  • The Leader Learner podcast is for passionate leaders who believe that continuing to learn and practice our people and connection skills is necessary to influence and lead others in the most effective way. This podcast is brought to you by Vincent Musolino, leadership trainer, coach, and consultant and founder of COAPTA, and Theresa Destrebecq, facilitator, coach and community kickstarter, and founder of Emerge Book Circles. Join us as we discuss books, learning, and leadership between ourselves and our guests. Learning. Leading. People. Passion. Business.
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Episodes
  • S03E15 : The How Can I Help? Episode
    Apr 24 2024

    Check-In:

    • What has recently become less important to you?

    Big Ideas:

    • Look at the lattice of the organization, not just the ladder
    • Leap between individual contributor and manager
    • No change of nature between the different levels of managers - shift in intensity, but not the nature of the work
    • Develop a network of people at and around your level
    • At some point you'll be playing the game, so need a wide network to support you
    • How do we define a "good working relationship" with your manager?
    • Being too passive in the relationship with your manager
    • Lack of clarity of expectations and not asking for more clarity
    • Bringing people's reputations into your relationship
    • Confirmation bias - when you see people through the lens you want to
    • Asymmetric power relationships
    • When you think your boss should do something differently - you suffer, not them
    • Relying too heavily on your power of expertise and not your power of connections
    • Managing up connotates teaching your manager how to do their job
    • First step - check your own ego
    • Second step - develop self awareness, know your triggers, what pisses you off about people
    • Third step - Know what motivates you and how your manager aligns or not with those
    • Fourth step - Take the time to develop a relationship
    • Know your external motivators which are context driven
    • The power of working their way gains capital with them and builds trust
    • Prove that you can work in their system
    • Do you known what your boss needs? How can you "manage up" if you don't know what your boss needs?
    • Develop a coaching mindset up toward everyone around you
    • Do you ever ask your boss "How can I help?"
    • Whether we like it or not we are in service to our manager - we aren't just in service to our direct reports
    • Not standing in someone else's shoes for a while
    • Empathy can be dangerous. Compassion is less taxing

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    38 mins
  • S03E14 Is Theresa a Sexist Episode?
    Apr 10 2024

    Check-In: What's giving you hope right now?

    Big Ideas:

    • What constitutes inequity?
    • When your unbelonging can connect you with other people who feel unbelonging
    • Gender equity issues not coming up in some leadership trainings
    • Cultural and country differences in gender equity
    • Calling out misogynistic jokes - Should I? Context dependent?
    • "isms" as part of the air we breathe - it's conditioned into us
    • Creating the system and benefitting from it - are they separate
    • Unconscious bias that comes out in small ways as a parent
    • Is awareness enough to change behavior?
    • If we are all sexist, does that make the word meaningless?
    • Sexists are actively causing harm...???
    • Sexism is mostly unintentional - men don't even know it's sexist
    • What do we call people who are functioning in patriarchy in unconscious ways, but still causing harm?
    • The myth of meritocracy
    • Meritocracy - achievement is based solely on your skills
    • Blind assessments to even things out
    • Performance review differences between men and women
    • Transparent data and decisions on manager, causing inequities to even out
    • Be internally transparent with income differences
    • Women tend not to negotiate their salaries, but they will negotiate on the behalf of others
    • Women less likely to nominate themselves for promotions
    • Asking women to be like men doesn't work
    • Double bind - not assertive enough, not seen as a leader, too assertive, seen as being bitchy
    • Anger as a man is okay, being sad/emotional as a man is associated with weakness
    • Expectations in our gender roles
    • When there's no problem, there's no data usually
    • Believing you are objective, makes you more likely to be sexist.
    • Thinking of the behavior separate from the identity

    Resources:

    • Invisible Women by Caroline Criando Perez

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    40 mins
  • S03E13 The Story I'm Telling Myself Episode
    Mar 27 2024

    Check-In:

    • Which projects give you energy?

    Big Ideas:

    • 3 skills that lead to successful groups: building safety, sharing vulnerability, establishing purpose
    • cohesive groups - telling stories and reminding one another what they stand for
    • murmuration - how birds move together
    • using small signals to link the present moment to the future ideal
    • organizations that don't have a purpose, mission, vision, etc.
    • the challenge of extracting a purpose
    • how to detect weak signals and act on them
    • going through the motions of purpose - some people feel it's not worthwhile
    • "What's the purpose of having a purpose?"
    • Purpose is a higher order construct - something you can build everything else around
    • If there are no words, there's no knowledge
    • Purpose seems too impractical - not actionable, practical enough
    • Cultural differences in focusing on culture
    • A tool without a purpose is just an object.
    • Leadership without purpose doesn't serve anyone
    • You can pivot around a purpose, and shift your business structure
    • Don't sell change
    • When companies focus their purpose around a story or stories, it can motivate employees in a new way
    • Having a clear beacon of purpose
    • What can organizations do to re-engage employees? Is story enough?
    • Belief that narratives only apply to children and politicians
    • Stories are a way to make groups work together - story-telling goes back thousands of years
    • Any good story has conflict and strong emotion -- some organizations still try to separate emotions from work
    • How to help people identify the stories that they are telling themselves?
    • Once you identify the story, you can change the story
    • How stories drive our emotional world.
    • Our brains want to close the loop, so we make up the rest of the story so we can move on - a necessary evolutionary device
    • Being in the matrix and not knowing you are in the matrix
    • Leading for Proficiency (being the lighthouse) - establishing priorities and connected behaviors
    • Leading for Creativity (being the ship's engineer, not the captain) - safe flat, high-candor environment, not about how to
    • What's your leadership purpose?
    • Transactional versus transformational leadership
    • The leader's job isn't to motivate others, but to create conditions for people to be motivated


    Resources:

    • The Culture Code, by Daniel Coyle
    • Start with Why Simon Sinek
    • Find Your Why, Simon Sinek
    • Adam Grant

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    42 mins

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