• Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings (2nd edition, revised)

  • By: David G. McAfee
  • Narrated by: David Smalley
  • Length: 2 hrs and 26 mins
  • 4.4 out of 5 stars (246 ratings)

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Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings (2nd edition, revised)

By: David G. McAfee
Narrated by: David Smalley
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Not only do I believe that it is possible to maintain moral standards without the crutch of religion but I would argue that it is the only way to achieve true goodness.

Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings compiles popular and lesser-known arguments against the principles established by the Christian canon. Using a phenomenological approach to build his case based on in-depth study at the University of California, Santa Barbara McAfee analyzes the Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament doctrine to build a logical and reasonable case against their validity. From contradictions between lived and portrayed religions to factual errors within the texts themselves, no stone is left unturned in this fully updated and expanded refutation of Christianity.

©2010 David G. McAfee (P)2013 Dogma Debate, LLC

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To the point and hard to dispute.

Did you have an extreme reaction to this book? Did it make you laugh or cry?

I was quite impressed. David has assembled a huge stockpile of Biblical logical fallacies and contradictions. While it seems that the one knock down argument that cannot be ignored or poorly rationalized, continues to elude Atheist arguments, this audio book comes as close as possible to a logically irrefutable argument.

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Lots of bang for the buck. Edited down and distilled to "point after point" with no filler. Any theologian who listens to this barrage of rational assaults may become rightly infuriated or frustrated after being forced to view their juggling of so many irrational ideas from the outside.

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Logically fallacious to its core.

The book is fallacious throughout, enacting almost every form of fallacy as evidence for the argument. This is especially a problem considering the author states early on in the work if the goal to use logic to disprove the existence of God. There are moments in which the author does provide some argument that makes a good point but at this point I cannot listen to another cherry picked example from a cherry picked version of the Bible. This is why you argue from original sources (Hebrew and Greek in this case) and not translations.

The narrator does a good job reading, keeping an even tone and pace. Well done.

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Underwhelming to Say the Least

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This title should, unfortunately, be called "Disproving Strawman Christianity." This book falls into much the same category as many Christian books when they attempt to review non-Christian philosophy/religion in that the author is so biased towards his own point of view and its superiority to Christianity, that he sets up the Christian arguments in the weakest manner possible and then easily refutes them. I am not a Christian, but if I were, this book would not make me question my faith but actually be strengthened in it due to how poorly he conceptualizes the arguments of Christianity. Additionally, even if his Strawman argument refutations weren't enough, he cherry picks and takes many bible passages out of context to find contradictions in the biblical text or simply ignores the facts that seemingly contradictory passages can be interpreted multiple ways to avoid contradiction. But in his haste to spread his anti-Christian agenda, he ignores these additional interpretations as if his interpretation must be the only one. Moreover, there was no research cited in this book. The arguments advanced are ones that anyone who has thought about these issues for more than five minutes has probably already thought about yet they are presented as crushing arguments that refute Christianity. Christians may be wrong about their theology, but they are all not as stupid as this author seems to believe they are. Many fundamentalist Christians are smart and have very nuanced beliefs that are not so easily refuted. I wish this book actually showed some level of respect to provide Christian views that represent this level of Christianity before attempting to refute them. But, as mentioned before, he is too eager to refute Christianity to worry about supplying non Strawman Christian arguments. As a secular humanist myself, I can attest that there are many good arguments against Christianity, which is why I'm a non believer. And these arguments can be made in a more effective and less obviously biased manner than was done in this book. I mean, really; a book with the hubris to entitle itself "disproving Christianity," a religion that has been around for thousands of years and is one of the world's most popular religions should probably take more than 2 + hours to do. I suppose that should've been my first clue that this book would fail to deliver on its bold promise. In short, don't waste your time with this poor excuse for Christian refutation.

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Didn't go as in depth as I was hoping

I was hoping for more depth. This is very brief and reads more like a bulleted list of problems than a deep analysis. Also, the narrarator mispronounced a word from a very popular verse from 1 Corinthians, saying that "love always preserves" instead of "love always perseveres".

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Short, but Good Introduction to the Subject

If you find yourself having to defend your lack of faith in Christianity, this book is a great introduction on how to do so. McAfee goes over the basic arguments that can indeed disprove the religion to anyone who isn't already a believer.

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Excellent

I just love to hear the bible proven false and folklore - can't hear it enuf! Someday this can be a school book for all children

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Speed Reading

I find the content extremely interesting but I just can't enjoy listening to this book because the narrator seems to be racing through the material. Very disappointing.

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Excellent intro to the secular point of view.

Would you consider the audio edition of Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings (2nd edition, revised) to be better than the print version?

I recently had about 4 hours to kill while giving platelets at my local Red Cross and decided to download 'Discovering Christianity' from Audible.com as it was the perfect length and I was curious about what it had to say. Disclaimer: I'm already an atheist.

As an audiobook, this may be better than the print version. Seems we always are trying to find time to read something, but between commuting or taking a medium distance drive somewhere, this book fills the time perfectly, and if you happen to have a Christian in the car with you, all the better. Might have been better with Joel Osteen doing it, but he probably wasn't available.

What did you like best about this story?

As to the content, it was very good. I've already read a lot of secular books but David's did provide stuff that was new to me. He could have mentioned the engineering problems facing building a wooden ark with ancient ship-building technology, but he clearly got the point across.

And if you are a Christian, this should give you a lot to think about. It does not rant and rave the way some angry atheists do, but presents out a series of arguments laid out very logically and with clear conclusions.Heartily recommend this for folks on both sides of the fence.

What about David Smalley’s performance did you like?

The narrator was excellent. Very easy to understand what he was saying.

If you were to make a film of this book, what would the tag line be?

"The Case Against Christianity."

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Didn't Add Much to the Topic

Is there anything you would change about this book?

I would have given more detail.

If this book were a movie would you go see it?

No.

Any additional comments?

I found the additional essays more informative than the main book. The main book just rehashed the same arguments that I've already read and heard. They are not things that the Christians that I deal with take as serious criticism. These arguments are the things that they already have, albeit unsatisfying to me, answers to.

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An awesome research paper.

Would you consider the audio edition of Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings (2nd edition, revised) to be better than the print version?

The Narrator makes me feel like I'm is sitting in the lecture hall listening to a captivating professor; the kind of prof who sits on the desk and just holds an open forum.

If you’ve listened to books by David G. McAfee before, how does this one compare?

This book is a little dryer than his other book: "Mom, Dad, I'm an Atheist", but that is to be expected.

Which character – as performed by David Smalley – was your favorite?

There weren't really characters in the book.

Did you have an extreme reaction to this book? Did it make you laugh or cry?

I found myself nodding my head in approval a lot.

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