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The Cave and the Light Audiobook

The Cave and the Light: Plato Versus Aristotle, and the Struggle for the Soul of Western Civilization

The Cave and the Light reveals how two Greek philosophers became the twin fountainheads of Western culture, and how their rivalry gave Western civilization its unique dynamism down to the present.
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The Cave and the Light reveals how two Greek philosophers became the twin fountainheads of Western culture, and how their rivalry gave Western civilization its unique dynamism down to the present.

©2013 Arthur Herman (P)2013 Recorded Books

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    Gary Las Cruces, NM, United States 04-25-14
    Gary Las Cruces, NM, United States 04-25-14 Member Since 2015

    l'enfer c'est les autres

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    "This is a great book"

    Generally there are two approaches to study any subject, either chronologically or thematically. Now, I have to add a third method: use a chronological order with a narrative tying all the pieces together.

    The author first sets up the listener by putting his spin on who Plato and Aristotle were and explains each by contrasting them with each other, a very good way to understand who each are and what they believed. I think a real philosopher would pick apart the authors characterization, but I'm not a real philosopher and I love a good narrative.

    At the heart of the difference between the two is contained in the analogy of the Cave. Plato would say that reality is never truly knowable and is hidden behind the shadows while Aristotle would say we can know by studying the individual and see beyond the shadows.

    The author gives you many simple analogies in order to understand. For example, the Colonel in "The Bridge on the River Kwai" looks at the destruction of the bridge in the final reel and says "madness, madness" that would be as Plato would see it as the whole not the sum of its parts, Aristotle's perspective would be as the viewer of the film and who knows all the individuals involved and why the bridge must be destroyed.

    The author steps the listener through the skeptics, cynics, and stoics, the Romans and some very early Christian thought to the neo-platonist and all the time he relates all development of thought through the Plato/Aristotle lens.

    If your like me, you would love to read all the 2 million words that St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, but you know you wouldn't really understand them and you are best served by having someone summarize them for you. This book explains why he's so important and how he ties them so strongly to the thinking of Aristotle and undoes the Platonic thinking of St. Augustine who defined the dark ages.

    He gives a good account of the Renaissance and the Reformation and some of its major thinkers. He does quickly skip over the Enlightenment and goes straight to Rosseau. He does that because he wants to lead into the French Revolution to Hegel to Marx, all Platonic thinkers. I really do understand Hegel for the first time because of the way he explains him through the lens of the Cave.

    He doesn't ignore the progress and significance of science in his outline of thought through the lens of the Cave. One thing I really appreciated he gave Newton and Darwin a prominent place in his story. How could anyone write about philosophy without mentioning Darwin? Not only that, he gave my hero, Ludwig Boltzman, the creator of the word "quanta" the real discoverer of the second law of thermodynamics (entropy), and the advocate of atoms before it became fashionable a whole section and explained why he is so important in the history of western thought. The author made me realize a point. Sometimes, as in Boltzman's case, the theory comes before the 'knowledge based on experience' (Aristotle's main way of seeing the universe). Perhaps, the bad mouthing of String Theory is premature and maybe the beauty of the mathematics will lead to something just as Boltzman's atoms came to be accepted after he killed himself?

    This is really a great book and is the best way to understand the theory of development of thought. I just thought it was weird (or was it silly?) to end the story by giving Hayek the last word on economics and Ayn Rand (of all people) the last word on philosophy (is she even a Philosopher?). Don't let that mar the book since he tells such a fun story in such a compelling way.

    This book is really a shout out for why philosophy is still relevant for today. If your like me, and want to know your place in the universe and why it matters this book will take you major steps there. You know your listening to a really good book when you can relate over half of the 100 or so science, history and philosophy books you've listened to over the last 3 years directly to this book. That's why I can recommend this book so strongly (with just a minor quibble in the previous paragraph of this review).

    16 of 17 people found this review helpful
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    I am No Expert 01-31-16 Member Since 2015

    I am no expert so spell it out.

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    "at 3X speed this is enlightening."

    You can fall asleep listening. However, this is a great book if you like to think and see the world differently.

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    sally 12-13-15
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    "Well written, well read vibrant history of ideas"

    The tension between the ideas of Plato and Aristotle is what has made Western Civilization vibrant, Arthur Herman says. He presents a fast, thorough history of thinkers through the centuries who have extolled the two Greeks.
    I disagree with him on a few points but am delighted and indebted to have heard his telling.

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    Adam 12-06-15
    Adam 12-06-15 Member Since 2014
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    What did you love best about The Cave and the Light?

    Though I suspect that author favored Aristotle over Plato, he did a very solid job of not seeming biased. Often times authors will go out of their way to NOT be biased which typically ends up revealing bias in favor of the contrary viewpoint. In the Cave and The Light, the author seemed (to me) to prefer Aristotle over Plato, but also was valued Plato. He highlighted both favorable and unfavorable incarnations of these philosophers throughout history.


    What did you like best about this story?

    The vast breadth of this work. I had read "Secret History of the World" which was a much more esoteric telling of world history, but comparing these two books -- Aristotle Versus Plato was much more intellectually satisfying, whereas the other work felt more fluffy. If you'd like to stand on a mountain and have a bird's eye view of philosophical history, this book is the perfect "lens."


    Which scene was your favorite?

    There was no scene in particular as it was non-fiction, but his summaries of other works throughout history including Wealth of Nations, The Prince, and Origin of the Species felt spot on (among other analysis he presented).


    Was there a moment in the book that particularly moved you?

    Nothing particularly moving in an emotional sense -- except maybe the recognition of how extensively history repeats itself.


    Any additional comments?

    I'd highly recommend this. Not only for its own content, but for the fact that it's a great spring board for looking into other works.

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    Amazon Customer 07-30-15 Member Since 2014
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    "great overview of the history of philosophy"

    this book is easy to listen to and I enjoyed having the Plato/Aristotle thread weaved throughout the entire book since it gave it a central theme and storyline. however, I do think it was forced in a places especially as you get to more recent thinkers.

    as a Christian who supports capitalism I really enjoyed the last chapter where the author gives his conclusions. however I do think that people who do not share my view will enjoy the rest of the book, which is mostly objective in its explanation of major thinkers throughout history.

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    Steve Schneider Michigan, USA 07-28-15
    Steve Schneider Michigan, USA 07-28-15 Member Since 2013
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    "Amazing book and wonderful reader"

    This book has changed my perspective about our modern world. Filled with ancient wisdom, the author lets the reader in on the origins of many if our modern problems, and offers us a perspective from which we can make better choices based on reason rather than feeling.

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    Tam Hunt Santa Barbara 05-22-15
    Tam Hunt Santa Barbara 05-22-15 Member Since 2010

    Enjoying

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    "Great thematic history"

    Very well done and impressive scholarship that covers many of the key ideas of Plato and Aristotle throughout western history.

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    armydray13 03-03-15
    armydray13 03-03-15
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    "Explains the totality of the Western Soul"

    Wow. This book made me realize how small and mortal we humans really are, in that even Plato and Aristotle were both only half right, and how man throughout history is at best only half right in solving problems and governing, and worse how a half right solution leads to destruction when pushed to its conclusion. It also shows the tension between sensors (Aristotle) and introspectives (Plato), which gave me a new respect for America's "mixed regime." This book leaves me knowing that I don't know, that I don't know anything, and I think Socrates would approve. Excellent, excellent book. You will be expanded.

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    Lokkish 09-15-14
    Lokkish 09-15-14 Member Since 2014
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    "Monotone Intrest"
    Where does The Cave and the Light rank among all the audiobooks you’ve listened to so far?

    This book is told in the most monotone voice I have ever heard. I like to listen to these audiobook in the car on my way to work, but I could not do that with this book, I was afraid I would fall asleep.If you can get past that you might like this book. The book is good to get a very novice idea about the history of Philosophy. The author starts out with Plato and Aristotle and briefly explains their ideas. He then quickly goes through history and explains how these philosophers have influenced the history of human nature since their death. Very interesting, but will put you to sleep if your not careful.


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    George 06-08-14
    George 06-08-14
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    Where does The Cave and the Light rank among all the audiobooks you’ve listened to so far?

    It ranks in the top 10%.


    What did you like best about this story?

    The flow of historical events since 300 BC and how they relate to the philosophy of Plato and Aristotle. Really excellent.


    Which scene was your favorite?

    The siege of Syracuse.


    Was there a moment in the book that particularly moved you?

    Michelangelo's letter to a friend regarding the Sistine Chapel, " I'm not in a good place and I'm no painter".


    Any additional comments?

    The very most interesting part of the book was William of Ockham. I had heard about Occam's razor. However, I was completely unaware of the global impact this idea had on the development of philosophy.

    1 of 2 people found this review helpful

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