Did Hitler - code name "Grey Wolf" - really die in 1945? Gripping new evidence shows what could have happened.
When Truman asked Stalin in 1945 whether Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, "No." As late as 1952, Eisenhower declared: "We have been unable to unearth one bit of tangible evidence of Hitler's death." What really happened? Simon Dunstan and Gerrard Williams have compiled extensive evidence - some recently declassified - that Hitler actually fled Berlin and took refuge in a remote Nazi enclave in Argentina. The recent discovery that the famous "Hitler's skull" in Moscow is female, as well as newly uncovered documents, provide powerful proof for their case. Dunstan and Williams cite people, places, and dates in over 500 detailed notes that identify the plan's escape route, vehicles, aircraft, U-boats, and hideouts. Among the details: the CIA's possible involvement and Hitler's life in Patagonia - including his two daughters.
©2011 Simon Dunstan, Gerrard Williams (P)2011 Gildan Media Corp
After listening to this book twice, I'm really confused. It's as if the authors spent a while writing a wide-ranging, but unoriginal reiteration of established WWII history, then realized how unremarkable (and unmarketable) their work was. Then, they decide to tack on this far-fetched Hitler survival tale. I'm not saying that this audiobook isn't entertaining. If you suspend all of your critical instincts, it makes a nice, light WWII pastiche. (Not quite history, not totally fiction.) But, this shouldn't be confused with a good WW II history book. (Wm. L. Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich is the mac-daddy of this genre...and really cheap on Audible.com.) Or, you can find an abundance of WW II fiction. But, this book doesn't really sit well in either genre. It's sort of a literary bait and switch. The outer appearances of this book and its initial passages suggest an intriguing story about Hitler surviving. But, after you buy it you find out that the vast majority of the book is a straight high school textbook-like reiteration of history, followed by a relatively bizarre goulash of stitched-together historical events, unsubstantiated reports, and conjectural sections. These conjectural sections are identified by the authors, in terms of where they start and stop. Its these sections that really make the book strange. Here's an example of the goulash:
- Start with a long, meandering preface (in the early part of the book) of general, reiterated WW II history.
- Switch to unsubstantiated "historical" reports about the preparations, actions, and results of Hitler's and Eva Braun's escape from Germany to Argentina.
- Insert one of these conjectural sections for titillation and color. One of the weirdest was one about the Hitler couple's visit to some German controlled Argentine resort, where they had monogrammed "AH" towels, etc.
I think you get the idea. Don't buy this book, if you want real history. Don't buy it, if you want good fiction. This book is the province of conspiracy thinkers and the semi-educated.
They could have been less wishy washy. Decide what you want to write. Write history, write fiction, or write historical fiction. This book is none of the above.
The narration was excellent.
No, the first one was bad enough.
Buy it if you have throw away credits and throw away time to listen to it.
Dunstan and Williams have approached an intriguing idea in a most unintriguing way. Did Hitler escape to Argentina in 1945 with the help of Martin Bormann? He could have. But there are too many holes in the Dunstan and Williams narrative to make an enlightened case. Specifically, they spend half the book dwelling on WWII history, which is time they could have spent proving their case. There is precious solid evidence here. If Hitler died in Argentina, where's the body for DNA testing? If he had daughters, where are they or their bodies for DNA testing? Ditto Eva Braun. And then there's the fact that the body of Martin Bormann, Hitler's major domo who was supposedly tooling around South America for years after the war, was actually unearthed years after WWII in Berlin, right around the spot a witness saw him die in May 1945. Dunstan and Williams never address that fact. One can only assume that they avoided it because they didn't have a good response. Relegate this one to fiction. It's too sloppy to be a credible work of scholarship.
I was absolutely fascinated by the counterfactual telling in this story. The key details are well researched and many are provable, the theories linking these are plausible, and the tale itself is spellbinding.
The author, who is a respected journo that I am aware of, clearly believes that Hitler did survive and the allies allowed it to occur.
The life after arrival in Argentina fits with much of what I personally experienced and heard when living in that part of the world. Secrets and whispers and closed German communities and many other tales.
I've heard rumors for years that Adolf Hitler escaped to South America at the end of WWII. If it was true, Grey Wolf notwithstanding, then the rest of the world must have ignored it; the same thing that I should have done with part one of the book. The author gives much more detail than is necessary for most people regarding the alleged escape of Hitler from Europe during the waning days of the War. Anyone interested in this story, unless you're a Nazi or a historian, I would strongly urge that you skip part one and go directly to part two.
You will not miss anything important, since the story of Hitler's escape really does not start until part two. Part one basically talks about the fortunes of war turning for the Third Reich and how a few of Hitler's close aids started thinking about an escape. The irony here is that Hitler was maniacal about every soldier fighting until the bitter end, while he was looking for ways to escape the carnage he created as early as 1943.
For a subject that is at best, esoteric and at worst, a fabrication, the authors Simon Dunstan and Gerrard Williams does give it plausibility. That said, it is worth listening to, but cue the story at the second half mark.
I found this audio intriguing and utterly engrossing. It is not hard to believe that Hitler escaped to Argentina, and the historical back up shows how this may well have happened. It is a well-presented case in a book that is seriously researched and very well written.
No new knowledge here, nothing but supposition. It cites a bunch of known facts. then throws in pure conjecture with no research to back it up and no foundation. A high school history teacher would give this book an
A different Narrator would not have saved this tripe.
None at all. A complete waste of my monthly credit. The Authors should be ashamed of themselves. This is a conspiracy nut book, and a poorly written one at that.
Do not buy this book. It is not worthy of being on Audible. Pure junk.
I really enjoyed this book. it's clear that quite a bit of research was done. I know many people will refuse to accept this theory as a possibility, but those that do should review the accepted theory of Hitler's death with the same critical eye.
The story needs more focus. It flails from one subject to another and never really reaches a conclusion.
Engaging unproved idea
Hitler was a forgettable little old man, rather in everyone's way.
The most interesting was the scene, and reasoning, behind the idea that the top Nazis fled, rather than die in the bunker.
It's well established that the SS robbed billions of dollars from almost anything that wasn't nailed down, and much that was. This was done, we're told, after they realised that they were going to lose. So why was there no escape route for Hitler? It always seemed a bit weird. Despotic leaders tend not to be the suicidal type.
This book is merely a story of the creation of the escape route, the escape, and the life in S. America. There's no evidence provided beyond claims of conversations with people who claimed to have overheard things. I might be doing them an injustice to some extent as this is, after all, an audiobook, and I didn't look at the bibliography, if there is one.
There are checkable claims (the report from the Russian officer tasked with finding the body, for example).
I enjoyed listening to it. I usually enjoy these sorts of
Very monotonous narration. The horrible pronunciation of the word chancellery drove me crazy time and again. He pronounces it as Chance+Cellery!!! In addition, I skipped chapter after chapter, as you keep being read lines that sound like wartime canned propaganda over, and over, and over again, and the narrator keeps reminding you that the Nazis were evil, had "sinister" motivations, and so on, and you keep getting the feeling he perhaps feels afraid to be branded an extremist for simply narrating it. Tiring, really.
Finally I reached Part III, which was at best mildly interesting.
To sum it all up, I wasted a credit.
"A curious tale"
The book is well put together and the writer's have clearly researched their topic. The central theme remains probable and the insight from Hitler's later years is very interesting. The book does take some time to set the scene but overall it's an interesting and thought provoking story. On reflection, it took the American's years and years to hunt down Bin Laden and Sadam disappeared for some time before being caught. In an age before the digital era, world media, twitter and the internet it remains highly plausible that tin an age of typewriters and memos all was not what it seemed at the end of WW2.
A great part of this book is a re-hash of the events of WW2. One assumes that anyone reading this book is already fully aware of this and to repeat it ad nauseum is unnecessary in the extreme. The part that deals with Hitler's supposed escape from the bunker is quite brief and though there are a few new details about his "life" in Argentina, the result is unconvincing. Hitler's Fate by H.D.Baumann offers a far better argument.
"An interesting story, but nothing more"
The first half of this book is a lengthy recap of the entire war, and so can be safely skipped.
The second half briefly describes Hitler's apparent escape from the Fuhrerbunker and his life in exile in Argentina. It hinges entirely upon the survival of Martin Bormann, who, according to this book, facilitated the escape and Hitler's new life initially from Europe, and then in person in Argentina. In reality, Bormann died in Berlin, having been shot by Russians during an attempt to break free from the bunker and escape to safety. While there were rumours for years that Bormann had somehow escaped, despite reports to the contrary, DNA evidence has now confirmed that the initial reports were in fact correct. He never escaped Berlin.
While this key component of the narrative debunked, what remains makes little sense. There are some stories from hotel staff and the like in Argentina who claim to have seen Hitler, and claims from a pilot who apparently flew Hitler out of Germany. From time to time the book will bracket a section of the narrative as speculation or deduction, but much of it is presented as fact without any evidence or listed sources, despite the fantastical claims being made.
In closing then I found this to be a mildly entertaining "what if" type affair, but it was never ever to present enough evidence to be any more than that. The best evidence remains that Hitler died in the Fuhrerbunker, and Bormann died not far from it in Berlin. Perhaps it's best to quote the late, great Carl Sagan - "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
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