Empires and Barbarians presents a fresh, provocative look at how a recognizable Europe came into being in the first millennium AD. With sharp analytic insight, Peter Heather explores the dynamics of migration and social and economic interaction that changed two vastly different worlds - the undeveloped barbarian world and the sophisticated Roman Empire - into remarkably similar societies and states.
The book's vivid narrative begins at the time of Christ, when the Mediterranean circle, newly united under the Romans, hosted a politically sophisticated, economically advanced, and culturally developed civilization - one with philosophy, banking, professional armies, literature, stunning architecture, even garbage collection. The rest of Europe, meanwhile, was home to subsistence farmers living in small groups, dominated largely by Germanic speakers. Although having some iron tools and weapons, these mostly illiterate peoples worked mainly in wood and never built in stone. The farther east one went, the simpler it became: fewer iron tools and ever less productive economies. And yet 10 centuries later, from the Atlantic to the Urals, the European world had turned. Slavic speakers had largely superseded Germanic speakers in central and Eastern Europe, literacy was growing, Christianity had spread, and most fundamentally, Mediterranean supremacy was broken.
Bringing the whole of first millennium European history together, and challenging current arguments that migration played but a tiny role in this unfolding narrative, Empires and Barbarians views the destruction of the ancient world order in light of modern migration and globalization patterns.
©2009 Peter Heather (P)2013 Audible, Inc.
I am fascinated by the topic of the millennium which started during the Roman Empire and after its collapse, seemed to be a confused mess of Huns, Goths and Vandals. This author sheds light on what has been called the Dark Ages and brings to life the people and the ebb and flow of the societies which lived in Europe during the period. There is some repetition - my attention span is not so short that I needed to be reminded of the parallels with some 20th century events, which seemed to me to happen fairly frequently. However the attention to detail and scholarship of the author is amazing.
The performance needed a really good editor and some instruction for the narrator, however. I doubt if too many English peasants set sail for America in the 7th(sic) century. The first syllable in Pyrenees rhymes with fir, not fire, at least every time I have heard it said. I presume the word the author meant was 'denuded' not 'denunded' which I have not found in any dictionary. If such frequent errors could be corrected, it would certainly improve the experience, from which they currently detract. I am not a particularly pedantic or critical listener but the errors grate.
The sections which mention areas of northern France (Loire etc) as I am about to visit the area and will look at it this time with an enhanced awareness of its history and see the chateaux and their surroundings in the context of a much longer time span than previously. This book is helping me fill in the gaps in my knowledge of european society between Roman times and approximately 1000AD.
Please let me know when the errors have been corrected - I think the author is owed this attention.
It is terribly sad when a good book is ruined due to insufficient preparations on the part of the reader and/or audiobook producer. Peter Heather's "Empires and Barbarians" is positively brimming with names of people, places, cultures etc. most of which are not familiar to the average listener. The recording would have been so much better if the reader and producer had spent a couple of hours figuring out how to pronounce things. Asking the author, e.g., might have been a good idea. As it stands, the recording is a complete failure. Some of the worst cases are almost unidentifiable without access to the printed text.
"fabric artist and quilter"
This is a treatise, or maybe it was a PhD dissertation, whatever it was it was ever so learned and made my eyes rotate with pain into the back of my head. Most of that pain was at the murderous narration by Sean Schemmel - if you are going to have a learned text narrated at least get some one who can read long words and gets geographical names correct. The other pain was the names of the tribes and leaders listed ad nauseam and the fact that a pertinent point was repeated several times just so that in the stream of learned stuff you didn't miss the salient point.
I persisted and listened to all 3 volumes as I am interested in the topic but I shall not need to delve any further into the migration of the germanic hords in the first millenium AD any more - I have heard the definitive history now and can relax in the knowledge that my history of the fall of the roman empire is complete.
The book itself is great, an important and likely enduring work of scholarship. The reading, unfortunately is terrible. I feel for the narrator because many of the names of both people and places are quite difficult to pronounce correctly. Unfortunately though the narrator consistently mispronounces well-known names such as "Constantius", "Dacia", "Nicomedia" and even "Nicea." Both he and the producers of this book should have done their homework before-hand. I stuck through the audiobook, but the reading often left me either shaking my head or grinding my teeth. Sorry to be so critical but it is what it is.
Enjoyed the book, and the humor. There is a lot of content there, and I'd go back again and listen, now that I know where it's going
The tour of Europe -- taking each section in turn
The narrator was horrible. Peter Heather is a very witty man, and I don't think the narrator got most of his jokes. Mr. Heather deserves a narrator erudite enough to know when he is being funny! There is a lot of warmth and humanity in this book, too, which is also obscured by the delivery.
An obvious fool
This book covers roughly the first millennium of European History. The author is a scholar of European History and it is obvious that his primary audience is fellow scholars to discuss and promote various theories concerning the migration of various peoples and cultures through that time period. If you are not a part of this audience, it can be a very difficult book to follow in an audio format.
In doing an audio book that depends so much on the changing political geography of Europe over the first millennium, the very least the author could have done is made available a PDF detailing the changing map of Europe over that time and the movements of the various ethnic groups that are central the narrative of this book. Further, an appendix detailing the various ethnic groups who are the central characters of this book would be extremely helpful. Rick Atkinson has a website for his three book series on WWII that is extremely helpful in understanding the troop movements and battles of that period. The author of this book would do well to try to develop a similar site for this book.
Anyone trying to read this book to those who do not already have a good background in this subject area would have a difficult time keeping their attention. If you don't have a good background in European geography, it is very difficult to follow and keep track of the various ethnic groups that the author describes as they make their way across Europe.
If you do purchase this book, I strongly advise that do a search on You Tube for Barbarians. There are numerous free videos that do a wonderful job of putting some flesh and warmth into this topic.
The dry academic treatise spends altogether too much time on details such as the evolution of kingship in Germania, and far too little on the drama of the period. It is further marred by a halting, monotone narration and gratuitous political point scoring. I gave up after Chapter 4. If you're interested in this topic try Bury's "Invasion of Europe by the Barbarians".
Yes, great ideas!
He does a good job contextualizing the arguements.
Fingernails on a chalkboard bad.
Yes! the ideas were great.
Heather's previous book was great. This offers more convoluted expositions of his theses, which necessitate careful listening to discern and understand (and I had to buy the print edition to REALLY follow it.) The narrator has NO clue as to pronounce these admittedly complex names for the various peoples of central and eastern Europe in the first millennium CE. However, even current place names evade his comprehension. Sevastopol is pronounced sev-as-TO-pol instead of the more common se-VAST-o-pol. I'm really surprised he did not have more guidance provided to him in preparing and delivering his performance. Anyway, it makes Heather's points HARDER to understand rather than elucidating them.
The book, simultaneously more ambitious and complex than his previous work on the fall of Rome, is very thorough in its breadth, but its depth must be worked at more assiduously by the listener.
Not on THIS basis.
Not relevant to an historical work
I am disappointed, as I was looking forward to this book.
Sadly the narration lets the audiobook down. I really wanted to listen to it as it is a subject I am interested in and seemed to be an interesting take on it but it became unbearable.
Sean Schemmel didn't appear to understand much of the text he was reading or at least didn't go back for another take when he botched lines. As a result sentences run into each other or are cut off in the wrong place making it hard to discern the meaning. Worse still the whole thing is read with little or no variation of emphasis, in a flat monotone which meant that I would realise I had stopped listening and missed whole chunks.
The book probably was but the narration ruined it.
"A Hun's eye view of the fall of the Roman Empire"
This started off slowly with what felt like quite a dry explanation of why Heather wrote a book about the "Barbarian" migrations that occured from the fall of the Roman empire and into the dark ages. But it built up momentum to become a completely fascinating account of what all this tribes were up to as they moved across Eurasia; the extent to which they would have recognized the tribal labels we're taught to apply to them and the legacy they have left us in terms of modern European politics. The author avoids this becoming dull by offering an amazing range of everyday details about the lives our nomadic ancestors lived and the drive they had to travel enormous distances in search of peace & plenty or conquest & pillage; sometimes both.
The fifth star is for the narrator who does a tough job well. I started off thinking that he could maybe of pronounced some French names differently but it quickly became clear that he was required to get his tongue around Slavic names; German terms and finally gaelic. So fair play to him.
If you want a history book that has the potential to alter the way you think about a period of history which many of us feel pretty familiar with then this is it
"Great book but very poor delivery by narrator"
Acquiring a better understanding of the turbulent times in first mIllenium.
This book should be recast by another narrator. Can't wait to listen to it again,
I am surprised that Audible and the author allowed mr Sean Schemmel to read this book. His computersised voice totally spoilt the book for me
"Lots of information"
Not a character book
Sean's let his other wise good read of a solid text down by his weird way he pronounced some of the place names. It was not just accent as I have asked Americans about it as well.
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