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Deathride: Hitler vs. Stalin: The Eastern Front, 1941-1945 | [John Mosier]

Deathride: Hitler vs. Stalin: The Eastern Front, 1941-1945

John Mosier presents a revisionist retelling of the war on the Eastern Front. The conventional wisdom is that Hitler was mad to think he could defeat the USSR, because of its vast size and population, and that the Battle of Stalingrad marked the turning point of the war. Neither statement is accurate, says Mosier; Hitler came very close to winning outright.
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John Mosier presents a revisionist retelling of the war on the Eastern Front. Although the Eastern Front was the biggest and most important theater in World War II, it is not well known in the United States, as no American troops participated in the fighting. Yet historians agree that this is where the decisive battles of the war were fought.

The conventional wisdom about the Eastern Front is that Hitler was mad to think he could defeat the USSR, because of its vast size and population, and that the Battle of Stalingrad marked the turning point of the war. Neither statement is accurate, says Mosier; Hitler came very close to winning outright.

Mosier's history of the Eastern Front will generate considerable controversy, both because of his unconventional arguments and because he criticizes historians who have accepted Soviet facts and interpretations. Mosier argues that Soviet accounts are utterly untrustworthy and that accounts relying on them are fantasies. Deathride argues that the war in the East was Hitler's to lose, that Stalin was in grave jeopardy from the outset of the war, and that it was the Allied victories in North Africa and consequent threat to Italy that forced Hitler to change his plans and saved Stalin from near-certain defeat. Stalin's only real triumph was in creating a legend of victory.

©2010 John Mosier (P)2010 Tantor

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    Jonathan Gardner 09-27-10 Listener Since 2000
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    "Speaking the un-speakable"

    This book finally addresses the nagging logical questions that any amateur eastern front historian has been too embarrassed to ask. First – would the fall of Moscow really been the end to Soviet resistance? John Mosier answer is clear, logical and I my opinion correct. The Soviets would not have simply given up if Panzers were parked in the Kremlin. He also correctly asserts that Hitler’s decision to not take Moscow off the march in August/September was the strategically correct one based on the larger economic considerations and military dispositions of the Soviet Armed Forces at the time. He ties the failure to finish off the Soviets at that time was the lack of a strategic bomber in the Luftwaffe. He believes that the possession of such a weapon would have enabled the Germans to destroy the relocated factories in the Urals and any reinforcements being gathered around Moscow or Don/ Volga basin (Stalingrad). He also believes that the lack of this weapon was the reason for the loss of the Battle of Britain and probably the war. If Britain had been knocked out the US would have no realistic location to base a continental invasion.

    17 of 18 people found this review helpful
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    Joseph Birmingham, United Kingdom 12-03-10
    Joseph Birmingham, United Kingdom 12-03-10 Member Since 2004

    52, retired soldier and surgeon. Teach Combat Surgery and Military History and hold the rank of Brigadier. Lost wife, love dogs, ski to fast

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    "Joe Neill"

    I found this book to be a wonderful insight. and being a military man for 21 years some of the points were very valid indeed. This book will make you think and will place so much 'coffee table' history in the bin. I would highly recommend it to any student of history looking for a strategic view point of the war in the east. Its also a great read. Well do, would recommend it to anyone.

    7 of 7 people found this review helpful
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    Jari Kirkkonummi, Finland 12-18-11
    Jari Kirkkonummi, Finland 12-18-11 Member Since 2011

    Finland. Southern coast.

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    "Outcome of the war was evident before it began?"

    I have always been fascinated about history and particularly events of the eastern front during the WW2. For or a person such as myself, who has already read dozens of books covering the subject you seldom come across something that has completely new information or points of views.

    This book challenges some of the prevailing theories and takes the listener to whole other level in understanding the events in the eastern front. The theory that the outcome of the war was evident years before the war even began was really insightful. I'm not convinced that everything was correctly displayed or that the conclusions are 100% accurate but I liked the fresh perspective anyway. Mosier is correct when he states that history is written by the winners so in general we know only what we are supposed to know.

    As long as listener remembers to be careful and objective as to what can be considered "truth beyond reasonable doubt" and what are the writers conclusion and theories this book can be considered well worth listening. It had fresh perspectives, bold conclusions and the reader managed the job well.

    3 of 3 people found this review helpful
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    neilium Chicago, IL, United States 04-24-13
    neilium Chicago, IL, United States 04-24-13 Member Since 2012
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    "The tone grows wearisome after a few chapters"
    Any additional comments?

    Any book on the subject of the Eastern Front of WWII is welcome. It's a part of WWII that for my generation (graduated college during the Cold War) was mostly ignored in history class. Yet it was the largest and deadliest theater of the war. However, Mosier's tone and pet phrases such as "You would think...but you'd be wrong", "Contrary to conventional wisdom..." gets more and more grating with each chapter.

    Despite his insistence that he is speaking the truth against the official accepted history, much of his view of the Eastern Front is not unique or shocking. His scrutiny of evidence from the belligerents is biased to support his thesis (that the Germans were much closer to victory in the East, and that it was the Allied offensive in the West that compelled Germany to retreat in the East to better defend the West). Official Soviet numbers (from casualties to weapons production et al) are laboriously explained away as propaganda, but rarely is the same level of examination given to Nazi numbers. In fact, to support his contrarian view that German troops were not demoralized during their retreat Mosier refers to photos of happy German soldiers from that period. He insists without proof that they were candid and not staged, and somehow a handful of photos is a clear indicator of overall sangfroid up and down the German lines as they marched backwards through Poland.

    Overall, I can't recommend this book. However, I will give Mosier credit for his insights at the end of Deathride. No single book could sum up what a tragedy the War was for the people of Eastern Europe, but Mosier's overview of the staggering human costs can be felt as it is read. His summary of the post-war consequences of Stalin is apt and thoughtful, too. The Soviet Union never recovered from the incalculable death and damage or the War, and Stalin's incompetence and ruinous policies that beat the Nazis led to the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union.

    2 of 2 people found this review helpful
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    One Size Fits None Rural New Jersey 01-26-13
    One Size Fits None Rural New Jersey 01-26-13 Member Since 2010

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    "Revisionist History of the Eastern Front????"

    History has always told us that the Soviet Union won the Second World War. They defeated the Germans in front of Moscow in the winter of 1941; they stalemated them at Leningrad; they kicked their swastikas at Stalingrad in 1943; they beat them at Kursk in July 1943 and rolled to Berlin in 1945.

    Now comes John Mosier.

    No, no. The Germans didn't lose. They just, well, didn't WIN.

    Moscow? Retreated to winter positions.

    Leningrad? Uh....

    Stalingrad?? Oh, see, what we think of as Stalingrad, the encirclement of the 6th Army, well, you know, it was more complicated than just that. There were four operations at the same time, see, and the others didn't do as well, and that encirclement thing, well - they got lucky. He actually says the surrender of Von Paulus was curious in light of the fact that at that very moment Von Manstein's 4th Panzer Army was practically there, and they had beer and pizza all ready to go. Fact, Dr. Mosier: Manstein, who HAD been trying to get to Stalingrad to break out the 6th Army, was forced to turn away on December 23, 1942. You're talking fiction.

    Kursk was NOT, as we've been led to believe, the greatest tank battle of all time. The Germans would have won, see, they'd practically put it in the bag, except Hitler reacted to the invasion of Sicily by transferring armies to Italy to guard against an Allied invasion of the mainland. So let me see...Hitler turned away from a huge, potentially decisive battle he was poised to win in a week or two against his fiercest, most hated adversary in his self-proclaimed racial war of annihilation, to guard against a possible invasion someplace, well, maybe sometime a few months from now, maybe, by somebody else.

    Berlin? By now the guy's on fumes, and he just kinda sorta mentions that yeah, the Russians were in Berlin, and Hitler married Eva and killed his dog, and anybody who doesn't see it his way is a Stalinist toolbag.

    If Mosier is to be believed, then the only thing standing between the Germans constructing a beer garden in Red Square and the Wehrmacht touring the cultural sights of Leningrad was some gosh darned bad luck. After all, those Russians, they lost X millions and the Germans only lost Y millions, and that awful Stalin just kept pouring troops into the bloody maw until he reached the Brandenburg Gate without regard for their lives. Yes. Yes, he did. That's how the Russians won the war. Shading, interpretation, reinterpretation - at the end of the war the Germans surrendered. Even Mosier can't dispute that.

    For a historian, he has a hell of a lot of trouble with facts.




















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    Jeff Waukesha, WI, United States 01-29-13
    Jeff Waukesha, WI, United States 01-29-13 Member Since 2014
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    "Its not a book that will grab your attention"
    Would you try another book from John Mosier and/or Michael Prichard?

    Yes


    Would you ever listen to anything by John Mosier again?

    Yes, but it would have to be more captivating. When reading books a writer can droon on for hours about facts and figures. When listening, you need to grab my attention and hold it. Not all books should be in the audible format. This book is better read.


    1 of 1 people found this review helpful
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    AN SELF PROCLAIMED RIGHT BRAIN THINKER 11-05-12 Member Since 2009
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    "IT IS ALMOUST AND TEXTBOOK OF MILITARY HISTORY"
    Would you listen to Deathride again? Why?

    No. I am not a scholar to need all the interesting details in the book. One read was enough for me


    What other book might you compare Deathride to and why?

    The rise and fall of the third reich


    Have you listened to any of Michael Prichard’s other performances before? How does this one compare?

    No


    Was there a moment in the book that particularly moved you?

    No, it is a fact book not an emotional novel


    Any additional comments?

    none

    1 of 1 people found this review helpful
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    Drazen Brussels, Belgium 09-25-10
    Drazen Brussels, Belgium 09-25-10 Member Since 2010
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    "No new insight"

    An interesting book although the info provided is not new. Some of the conclusions presented by the author are overstreched and not supported by evidence in the book. In addition due to many numbers used in the book (casualties, troop strength etc) sometimes somewhat difficult to follow in the audio format.

    8 of 12 people found this review helpful
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    Paul Mcgraw Lawrenceville, GA USA 07-27-12
    Paul Mcgraw Lawrenceville, GA USA 07-27-12 Listener Since 2007
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    "A Must For Military History Buffs"

    Well researched and logically presented fresh analysis of the Eastern Front will be a treat for any military history buff. For example, Mosier makes a logical case that the real "turning point" on the Eastern Front came not at Stalingrad, but because Hitler was forced to move crucial forces from the Eastern Front to the west to counter moves by Great Britain and the United States. The factual review of casualty totals and forces available to both combatants was very informative, reflects the most recent data available, and provided enormous insight into understanding what really happened on the Eastern Front.

    The naration is very good for a serious academic history. Clear, easily understood, and without distractions.

    0 of 0 people found this review helpful
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    Andrew Sydney, Australia 05-13-12
    Andrew Sydney, Australia 05-13-12 Member Since 2012

    "With every mistake we must surely be - learning?"

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    "A Great well researched book"
    If you could sum up Deathride in three words, what would they be?

    Definitively adept book that covers the period 1941 to 1945


    What did you like best about this story?

    There is little left to the imagination. Mosier shows comparisons for and against strategies deployed by both Stalin and Hitler.


    Any additional comments?

    Mosier is great at showing both leaders attempt to get the open hand on each other politically as well as on the battlefield.

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  • Roger
    NORWICH, United Kingdom
    1/22/12
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    "Interesting"

    Very interesting and though-provoking. I bought the hardback copy after listening to this audiobook just so I could refer to it occasionally and look at his sources.
    After reading books by former GRU spy and Spetsnaz man Victor Suvorov, then this, it puts a new perspective on the war.

    2 of 2 people found this review helpful
  • keith
    HILLSBOROUGH, United Kingdom
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    "A must for WWII enthusiasts"

    It is well known that victors get to write history. John Mosier presents a completely alternative view on how Stalin and the USSR defeated Hitler's Germany. The book is very well researched and written in an engaging manner that had me enthralled to the very last page. The book introduces the reader to little known or even new facts about the war that puts the accepted view of what actually occurred in doubt. An absolute must for any WWII enthusiast.

    0 of 0 people found this review helpful
  • Ruth
    Walsall, United Kingdom
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    "Spin on Hitler"

    This man writes a history at odds with almost every other writer. He even boasts about it. Hitler it appears was a noble leader. Tell that to the Jews of europe. This man needs to be banned or at least put in the fantasy section.

    3 of 7 people found this review helpful
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