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Mary and Lou and Rhoda and Ted: And All the Brilliant Minds Who Made the Mary Tyler Moore Show a Classic | [Jennifer Armstrong]

Mary and Lou and Rhoda and Ted: And All the Brilliant Minds Who Made the Mary Tyler Moore Show a Classic

Mary Tyler Moore made her name as Dick Van Dyke's wife on the eponymous show; she was a cute, unassuming housewife that audiences loved. But when screenwriters James Brooks and Allan Burnes dreamed up an edgy show about a divorced woman with a career, network executives replied: "Americans won't watch television about New York City, divorcées, men with mustaches, or Jews." But Moore and her team were committed, and when the show finally aired, in spite of tepid reviews, fans loved it.
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Mary Tyler Moore made her name as Dick Van Dyke's wife on the eponymous show; she was a cute, unassuming housewife that audiences loved. But when screenwriters James Brooks and Allan Burnes dreamed up an edgy show about a divorced woman with a career, network executives replied: "Americans won't watch television about New York City, divorcées, men with mustaches, or Jews." But Moore and her team were committed, and when the show finally aired, in spite of tepid reviews, fans loved it.

Jennifer Keishin Armstrong introduces listeners to the show's creators; its principled producer, Grant Tinker; and the writers and actors who attracted millions of viewers. As the first situation comedy to employ numerous women as writers and producers, The Mary Tyler Moore Show became a guiding light for women in the 1970s. The show also became the centerpiece of one of greatest evenings of comedy in television history, and Jennifer Keishin Armstrong describes how the television industry evolved during these golden years.

©2013 Jennifer Keishin Armstrong (P)2013 Tantor

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    Eileen Charlotte, NC, United States 06-22-13
    Eileen Charlotte, NC, United States 06-22-13 Member Since 2007
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    "The Narrator Came from the Ted Baxter School ..."

    The book is interesting, especially for those of us who were ther. It is unfortunate that the reader detracts so much from the story. Her simpleton lilting voice (which unfortunately lilts in the wrong places) is bad enough, but her awkward attempt to voice characters is painful. If you are interested in this book, spare yourself and buy the written or e-book.

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    PATRICIA NEWTOWN SQUARE, PA, United States 06-16-13
    PATRICIA NEWTOWN SQUARE, PA, United States 06-16-13 Member Since 2011
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    "Good story but pathetic narration"

    Really interesting background information - for fans of the show as well as TV production in general. However, this narrator needs to do her homework - I would be interested to know how she got this job, as she clearly had no knowledge of the subject matter. First, she mispronounces common words such as "demurred" (at least 3 times) - but the problems really arose when she mispronounced the last name of Suzanne Pleshette as well as Captain Stubing (Gavin McLeod on The Love Boat). I find it incredibly disrespectful of the entire process - if the narrator can't be bothered to learn about the subject matter, where are the editors? Just sad.

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    Amazon Customer Louisville, KY, United States 05-28-13
    Amazon Customer Louisville, KY, United States 05-28-13 Member Since 2003
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    "Unfortunate Reader, Story on for Die-Hard MTM Fans"

    One of the worst readings ever. The narrator's intonation is meant for an audience of 6 year olds. She sounds like someone who never actually listens to audiobooks.

    I slugged through it anyway. The story behind the show is interesting, but be warned this book is as much about the writers and producers as it is the actors. I happen to like that, but I could understand if some folks felt gyped that it meandered so much.


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    Edward San Diego, CA, United States 05-21-13
    Edward San Diego, CA, United States 05-21-13 Member Since 2010
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    "Fascinating reading!"
    Would you listen to Mary and Lou and Rhoda and Ted again? Why?

    Yes, I would definitely listen to some parts again. To hear the background of one of television's most successful series is a real treat to anyone who grew up watching this landmark show. The behind the scenes stories are priceless.


    Who would you have cast as narrator instead of Amy Landon?

    I think I would prefer someone who bothered to read the book ahead of time. Judging from her line readings she frequently didn't seem to know the intent of the sentence. The only time I've ever heard results like that is when someone is doing a cold reading. Also distracting was her mispronunciation of certain names (such as Gavin MacLeod's Love Boat character - Captain Stubing which she pronounced as "STUBBING" as opposed to the familiar "STEWBING") The performance doesn't ruin the experience but it certainly doesn't enhance it.


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    S. Blythe Washington DC 07-26-13
    S. Blythe Washington DC 07-26-13 Member Since 2008
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    "An Interesting Story That Never Quite Gets Told"

    To hear this book tell it, the Mary Tyler Moore show just seemed to happen, and this is the story of people who were kinda sorta around when it did.

    The author spends an enormous amount of time on stories that never pay off, and she seems to have no interest in how episodes were actually made. She follows one writer from her early days as a club entertainer to her eventual staff job on the show, and then to her travels in Europe, but we never get any insight on what that same writer's life was like on the MTMS staff. What did she do every day? How did she and the staff break stories, what kind of leeway did she have to alter characters? Did she have a unique take on the characters that made her noteworthy a writer?

    Early in the book we're told that the show's creators were hired to write a show for Mary Tyler Moore, and then, suddenly, they have a script. We never get any insight into how that script was created, or where the ideas came from. And when those writers decide to change the script to conform to network notes, well, then all of a sudden they have a changed script. We're never privy to the actual making of those changes.

    This lack of detail is especially troubling when it comes to James Brooks. Brooks appears on virtually every page of the narrative, but we don't get any insight into his creative process. We get a sentence or two telling us that Brooks dominated the writers room, but no insight into how that room worked. (Was there even a writers room on this show? I don't know, because it's not in the book.) Brooks goes from an ambitious writer to a TV genius, but we're told it happens, and are never shown how it happened. How did writers pitch show ideas? How did Brooks respond to those pitches, how did he change them, what was his spin? Brooks is one of a handful of people who changed TV forever, and this book gives us no sense of what his day--to-day work was on the show. Why, by the book's end, do I know more about the writing habits of a (sort of creepy) Mary Tyler Moore super fan than I do about the guy who this book is largely about? (And how in the world does Brooks' later co-creation of The Simpsons rate one half of one sentence about Julie Kavner?)

    As for the book's narration, it is, frankly, hilarious, though not intentionally. The narrator mispronounces so many famous names, it's like she's setting us up for a drinking game. Howard CAsell? Really? Gavin McCloud went on to play Captain Stubbing, as in something you do to your toe? Desi Arnaz's last name looks like it rhymes with "has", but it really rhymes with "fez" — someone should have told the narrator. And these are just off the top of my head. There are at least 5 or 6 more. Every time you hear one, do a shot. It'll make the book more enjoyable.

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    Laura 09-14-14
    Laura 09-14-14 Member Since 2010
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    "Worst narrator ever"

    I was so excited to hear this, but I ended up checking it out of the library instead. This experience convinced me to listen to the sample narration before using a credit. She was that bad.

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    Kindle Customer Walpole, MA, United States 01-04-14
    Kindle Customer Walpole, MA, United States 01-04-14 Member Since 2011

    I'm a bear that likes honey, climbing trees, stealing picnic baskets and listening to audiobooks.

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    "A Great Account of a Cultural Phenomenon"
    Would you recommend this audiobook to a friend? If so, why?

    I would recommend this book to anyone who is a fan of television writing or the Mary Tyler Moore show. It's also a great cultural account of feminism and the early 1970s.


    Who was your favorite character and why?

    James L. Brooks and Alan Burns. They seemed to be years ahead of their time in terms of their creative ambitions and work habits. Also Grant Tinker seemed to be a genuinely decent guy.


    Any additional comments?

    For those of us who grew up seeing the Mary Tyler Moore Show in reruns, this books does an excellent job of placing it in a cultural context. We understand how unique it was to have a show about a single woman in her 30s on television, and we get to see how the show opened up the world to women television writers. A really good book.

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    Kate Santa Barbara, CA, United States 09-26-13
    Kate Santa Barbara, CA, United States 09-26-13 Member Since 2010
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    "Great story, horrible narrator"
    Would you consider the audio edition of Mary and Lou and Rhoda and Ted to be better than the print version?

    NO, because the narrator was so bad I almost did not listen to the audiobook.


    What did you like best about this story?

    I grew up in high school and college with the MTM Show--I loved the backstory and learning about how many women were given opportunities to write shows because they were given a chance on this show.


    How could the performance have been better?

    This narrator was like a breathy actress and at times sings-songy. She got a bit better as the book progressed, but her performance definitely detracted from the content.


    Did you have an extreme reaction to this book? Did it make you laugh or cry?

    It made me laugh a lot and I also became wistful thinking about what the show meant to me as a young woman.


    Any additional comments?

    I think it might have been a bit better edited--there were some parts that seemed poorly written or put together.

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    Nolan Malone Hawai'i 08-01-13
    Nolan Malone Hawai'i 08-01-13 Member Since 2005

    Books have always been an escape for me: initially from my studies, now from too much work. A good story is my favorite remedy.

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    "Difference of opinion"
    Would you recommend this audiobook to a friend? If so, why?

    Yes (especially if they are 40 yrs or older)


    Any additional comments?

    I actually thoroughly enjoyed this "biography" of a beloved show from my youth. I not only appreciated all that transpired to bring the "Mary Tyler Moore Show" to the small screen, but enjoyed the narration equally. Clearly many other listeners were disappointed by the reader's performance -- an opinion that I certainly respect (especially since I, too, have been put off by poor narration in the past) -- but I just wanted to register that the opinion was not unanimous.

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    Molly Goshen, IN, United States 07-28-13
    Molly Goshen, IN, United States 07-28-13 Member Since 2014

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    "The Genius Behind the Mary Tyler Moore Show~5 STAR"

    PLOT: THE GENIUS behind the Mary Tyler Moore Show ~ detailed and complete.

    1970~ Grant Tinker and Mary Tyler Moore start their own production company MTM enterprises with the CAT ~ they pitch a "single woman" comedy to CBS~ who at best is luke warm in their reception of it. Collecting the best young writers and also a new medium FEMALE comedy writers including the Treva Silverman who writes a pilot that CBS goes for ~ Brooks and Burns kick in soon the Show is sold~t his book is BIO and history of the show complete with all the writers, producers, and STARS. Details bios of the stars and follow up history of the show and stars is included. This is excellent and rich in both story and history of many of the BEST episodes. The cutting edge of woman breaking into the medium in the 1970s complete with the "woman's movement" and equal rights. This starts a little slow but it picks up speed as we get into the show and the fun details of the success. How this show is listed on most lists as THE BEST comedy or one of the BEST of all time. Winner of many Emmys this show rolled along at the top for all 7 years it was on CBS and was a "reason to stay home" on Saturday night. NOT including the Guest STARS Walter Cronkite and Betty Ford. this also tells the "personal" struggles of the CAST and writers in their personal lives also. This is a first rate book and audiobook. It also tells how this show changed the face of comedy writing in tv history. VERY good.

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