compared to other authors still a great book. target audience - teenage boys. feels like there was no story in mind, just a compilation of notes on characters, seemingly randomly appearing, disappearing, changing, dying; making the whole experience abrupt and unrewarding. some interesting turns but lots of logical lapses and dull almost simpleminded conversations. it's as though he author didn't really care if he made sense or more likely didn't care to think things through, since his other books seem to have a very coherent and compelling train of thought. so disappointing to be honest.
not the next book of lost gates
The simple method in which the mythology of the real world was woven into the story. That the gods were men and women and their names were titles and not specific people. This explained why they could look different and have different personalities for different mythological stories, demigods, everything. It was easy to suspend my disbelief and be engaged in the story.
The Book of Swords series and the Book of the Gods by Fred Saberhagen are similar in terms of making mythology a real thing for the story.
I don't think Stefan Rudnicki was a good choice for this series, his voice I don't think lends it self to child/young adult characters - however, I could easily tell the characters apart. Emily Rankin was fine, but not amazing.
The amount of adolescent sex talk was excessive, but I understand why it was necessary to the story. It seemed that it annoyed Orson Scott Card to write as well as the main character. Don't let it stop you from listening, it's a well realized world and an interesting story. The afterward is spot on. If Orson Scott Card had delivered his original idea, it would have been a terrible.
When I drive, I read... uhm listen. I like SciFi, Fantasy, some Detective and Espionage novels and Religion. Now and then I will also listen to something else.
I've just finish listening to "The Gate Thief" and I don't know what to think. There are a lot of potential in the story that must come to fruition, but it feels as if Orson Scott Card decided to reshuffle a pack of cards while in the middle of a game of poker taking in everyone's hand and giving them completely cards. Instead of building on "The Lost Gate," he basically changed the story so much that with a few tweaks book 1 in the series could be skipped altogether.
Danny North and Wad (Loki) the two main characters undergo enormous development, but the other characters especially the female characters on earth are unbelievable flat and predictable with one thing on the brain, Danny's body. They want his babies! (O come on!) On Westil things seems a bit different and Wad recovers a lot of himself.
It seems as if Card has modelled his story on Revelation 12's war in heaven and on earth, where after he added some Egyptian mythology to his already crazy mix of mythologies that became evident in the first book of the series "The Lost Gate."
Westil and earth is mirror images of each other. When Wad is powerless, Danny is powerful and vice versa. Yet, there is not much that you learn about Westil itself. The story there could just as well played out on earth itself. One third through the book I became tired of the "gates" and ideas like "heart horde" etc.
If it wasn't for Stefan Rudnicki and Emily Rankin's excellent reading of the story, I might have left the book and not return to it. In my humble opinion they did an excellent job.
There is enough in the story to make me wait for the next book, but I am a bit disappointed with the way the story developed so far. It seems like a second introduction to the series and the depth of characters are generally non existent.
Let's wait and see where Card is heading too with this series. The final decision is still open to how well this series will be received.
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I was really looking forward to this sequel as I really enjoyed The Lost Gate… but this one, not so much. It was long and drawn out, and boring. I finished it, because I had invested so much listening time, but I don't think I will read or listen to book 3 until after I read a lot of reviews.
I'd give it a plot. This one seems to be sorely missing one, or at least it's moving so slow that it's difficult to find. (Reminds me of Loki being stuck in the tree, moving through the gate a fraction of an inch each day.)
I'd make it tighter, more focused.
Eh--I don't care for Stefan Rudnicki's reading of this--he has a beautiful voice, but it's just not right for these characters. Emily Rankin does an okay job.
I'm disappointed. Although I usually like Orson Scott Card's writing, I don't think I'll be buying these audiobooks anymore. Both this Gate Thief series and the Pathfinder series started off with an interesting premise and a pretty good story, but with both second books I had the same problem; they're just too slow. I'm not even sure I'll finish this one.
I listen on my way in to work in the morning, and my way home in the evening.
As I'm listening through the book, I don't feel like there is a whole lot of character development within this book specifically. In the first book of the series, we got to spend a lot of time with the characters, and really get why and how they reacted to things. In The Gate Thief, I'm constantly feeling like people are doing random things against their character for no reason what so ever. OSC Keeps trying to portray Danny as this kid who wants to do the right thing and be a stand up guy, but then there are parts of the story where he acts like a little brat. Specifically the way Danny treated coach leader, and acted when joining the track team. I know leader's a jerk, but the mark of someone truly good, is their ability to respectfully handle a situation without making them self look like an ass. I would like to see reaffirmations of how the character behaves and interacts with people and let me be the judge of whether that person's choices were good choices or not. I felt like I was being Pushed and prodded towards Danny being a really stand up guy, but his actions that he took half the time felt the opposite.
The book was rather short compared to other books I've listened to, and since the book was, in my mind mediocre, it about evened out.
I know that in most books your going to encounter periods of things you enjoy and things that bore you, etc. Because I often listen to audio books during my commute, I often can judge a book by how often I walk into my house and keep the audio book running on my phone. If I'm listening outside of my car, it often means that something interested me to the point that I really wanted to know more. That so far in this book has only happened once to me.
I read The Lost Gate and really liked it. So, I was waiting anxiously for this book. Things take forever to develop. The author spends a lot of time dealing with teenage angst. I think what it boils down to is a whole lot of talk and not a lot of action.
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So I loved the first book in this series - it was full of action, was set in a really interesting world, and the plotline moved at a quick clip - which is perhaps why I was so disappointed as I read this one. The plot just moved so... slow. And so much of it felt like artificial setup for something that happens later in the book, but that just didn't feel like it had the crescendo that the first book had.
To be fair, after listening to the post-book message by Orson Scott Card himself, I fully understand WHY he wrote this book the way that he did - he's setting up for an epic Book 3 where all of the setup will pay off. I fully intend to pick up that book, but that still doesn't make me like this one any more. The teenage angst, sexual frustration, and laggard pace almost turned me to deleting the book from my phone... but plow through it, as I think we'll all rewarded in the next book of this series.
I've known Scott personally for decades and have always enjoyed his books. The first book in this series started in a very entertaining manner. This second book is harder to follow and is not nearly as fleshed out as it needs to be. Scott's forward said he rewrote the original draft, but the book reads like he was trying to squeeze 2 books into 1 volume. Hopefully there will be a be a third book that fills in the blanks left in the 2nd book. Otherwise, typical OSC.
I would, if my friend has nothing else to do.
Yes, because he is very good. It's just that this book wasn't as good as "The lost gate". It's a total different rythm. It's like somebody else wrote it. I love the way he writes but the story was just too flat.
When he is in a trance and remember what Wad learned in Egypt. I liked the twist, but he didn't delivered at the end.
For Orson, try to go the way you did in "the lost gate" especially the first part. It was VERY GOOD.