Conflicted, complicated, and morally ambiguous characters are great, but Jorg is just a one-dimensional dirtbag. Not interesting or compelling in the least. Martin, Abercrombie, and Morgan I like very much, but this is really a far cry from their work. It's as if Mr. Lawrence is trying to imitate work he admires, but doesn't really understand, and the result is caricature more than emulation. "Look everybody, my protagonist is way more vicious, nasty, and loathsome than anything those hacks ever came up with! And I won't waste your time with depth or character development!" Thanks, but no thanks.
Not sure how this one got so many 5 star reviews, kind of hard to listen to. The main character really is not interesting and the book is full of cliches. About half way thru maybe it will get better.
intense, thrilling, fantastic
main character: Jorg Ancrath
I listened to "King of Thorns" also performed by Clamp. It was also very good. His ability to make the different characters discernible from one another really helps the story.
This is an excellent book. I would highly recommend it to other listeners who like complex stories and aren't afraid of a very visceral experience. There is a lot of violence, but it fits with the character development and adds to the experience of the story.
Fantastic narrator performance.
I have read and listened to a lot of fantasy books and I have no issues with anti-heroes as lead characters; however, Jorg just isn't an interesting character and I was never able to get behind him. At 9 years old Jorg experiences a terrible trauma as his mother and brother are killed while he is helplessly caught within the thorns of a nearby briar patch. His father, the king, is unwilling to risk war with Count Renar, who is behind the murders, and he basically agrees to put the matter aside in exchange for some economic concessions. This shapes Jorg into a monster bent on revenge against both Count Renar and his father.
Jorg becomes the leader of a band of thugs at the age of 13 and the book is experienced from inside his mind. That is a dark place and frequently Jorg envisions ruthlessly killing those he interacts with. Sometimes those thoughts are converted to action and sometimes they aren't but they are constant. Jorg frequently kills men 3 times his size through an improbable series of events and he quickly furthers his agenda against his father and Renar. Eventually it is uncovered that there are more powerful individuals behind the scenes who manipulate key people as pieces in a giant game of thrones. Jorg himself discovers that he is being manipulated and he adds his puppet-master to his list of targets.
Now I love a good revenge tale more than most and I'm willing to let questionable behavior slide in the name of revenge on those "who deserve it" but this book never got me there. Jorg is too young, has no redeeming qualities at all, and the improbable events are just too unbelievable. There is also nothing truly unique about the fantasy world although the book does get interesting at times it doesn't really last.
This isn't a terrible book but I still suggest that you pass on this one. If you want to listen to dark, gritty fantasy or root for an anti-hero then there are much better choices available. I give this 2.5 stars only because James Clamp did a decent job on the narration and his performance kept the story moving along. It just never wound up where I wanted it to be.
A different story. The protagonist is a thoroughly horrible serial killer. All characters are helpless victims, even the protagonist. I think the author might need therapy.
Not sure. It was well read.
Disappointment and revulsion.
I worry about people attracted to this sort of trash.
Likes to listen while doing chores; likes to write reviews while he should be doing chores.
I feel like this might turn into a good series if I could just get into it, but I just find myself avoiding listening to it and turning to other media. I got 3.5 hours into it (about a third of the way through) and stopped.
I just can't get past the main character. This is a thirteen year old sociopath that is so precociously world-weary that he is able to bully grown men, hardened criminals without batting an eye. In fact, that is all he seems to do. He's not inconsistent (a major pet peeve of mine), he's just absurd. I understand the concept of an anti-hero. This seems to be what the author is going for. I am not above rooting for the bad guy. This protagonist is just so utterly annoying. I keep hoping for the actual protagonist to come along and smother this character in his sleep so that the real story arc can begin. No luck so far.
As to the reading... it seems ok. Clamp seems to play the main character pretty well. He pauses a bit mid-sentence making for a disturbing rhythm.
I am brutally honest. Popular, love everything they read, reviewers are scared to go neg. and risk their ranking. It's your money!!!
DREAMS TELL A MAN WHO HE IS.
This story is told in first person, by a guy who loves to hear himself talk. I might have liked this better if written in third person. At times I just wanted the kid to shut up. I am always weary of people who brag about themselves. Tell me they are smart, honest or tough. It usually ends up being the opposite. This guy was tortured at 10 years old and now at 14, he is a bad ass, okay we get it, now let's get on with story, shall we. The first half of the story is all about convincing you that this fourteen year old is a bad ass. He even kills without warning his own followers, sometimes because their looks irritate him. I fail to understand how you can get a group of guys to follow you if they never know when you are going to kill them next. I listened to all of this and there are glimmers of real writing, but it is surrounded by double talk. The second half of the story reads more like Conan the Barbarian. The late middle part of the book, where he is under the mountain and fights necromancers, is the best part of the book. When he is doing something and not talking about doing something.
I SWALLOWED THE NIGHT AND THE NIGHT SWALLOWED ME
I always feel it to be a cheap trick to do a lot of double talk. A lot of people seem to think it clever and you even it see it in some of the classics, but this guy does it constantly. I DON'T LIKE TO BE ANGRY, IT MAKES ME ANGRY. ALL OF A SUDDEN IMPOSSIBLE ODDS, SEEMED IMPOSSIBLE. YOU LOSE THE GAME AND WHAT DO YOU LOSE? YOU LOSE THE GAME. IN A REAL FIGHT AND MOST FIGHTS ARE REAL. EVEN AS THEY LEFT ME, THE WORD SOUNDED HOLLOW, CHILDLESS.
AND IF PEOPLE CALL YOU KING, THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE.
Probably the biggest fact that you comes out of this story, is that kings are nothing but the biggest bully on the block. That is how they get started and then it is nepotism from then on.
I'M A SOLDIER (reviewer) AND THAT'S THE END OF IT.
yes, i was drawn in and found this a very enjoyable listen. I am about 70% of the way through and cant wait to hear more.
was very satisfied with the narration. Of course this is my opinion, but it was a good listen
This series is not for everyone the protagonist Jorg is an antihero that you actually grow to love. The charecter development continues throught the entire series. I can see how some people would think that he is a wretched human being throughout most of the book but I liked that.
By the end of the series though you come to understand how he was shaped by the world he lives in. The setting is an awesome concept on its own which makes the events easier to relate to.
I've never writen a reveiw on anything but felt compelled to do so for this book and series after reading some of the reviews. Like I said before its not for everyone but if you have a dark sense of humor and good grasp on the human condition this book is a great tale that you will be glad you experienced.
Also the narrator does an absolutely amazing job in conveying the dark tone of the book.
The protagonist is vile, but at least in part that is the workings of those puppet masters behind the scenes. I found the introduction of a computer odd. it was ok. I will finish the series.