This is probably one of the most important social science books in decades. What binds us together as Americans? What gives us the tools to succeed? Religiosity, Industriousness, Marriage and Respect for Law are the four characteristics that Murray examines using over 50 years of data. He shows how America is dividing into upper and lower classes, and how the change in culture and the college sorting machine are, in large part, responsible for this division. It's an important book and doesn't say what you might guess.
Maybe, I liked the concept of delving into divisions in American society that have arisen during the past 50 years - but became bored over the countless statistics that permeated the delivery of the message
The broad concepts
The statistics - some of which were rather marginal in support of the concepts
The division of society into Belmont and Fishtown were overdrawn and missed the nuances and also the differences that occur within the respective divisions.
This book has some interesting content but due to the large number of charts and accompanying statistics it makes it rather unsuitable as an audio book. If you want to try this I'd recommend reading the book or ebook.
The Comparisons between "Belmont" the more advantaged and successful fictional town and the more downbeat lifestyles of "Fishtown" were a good method of explaining how our country is growing more divided.
Burns is a great narrator and helps make the content easy to absorb. What is most upsetting about the America Murray portrays is that it is a natural evolution of the things we have always valued, like the role of education in pulling Americans apart.
having the lives we always wanted is tearing America apart
Alas to truly understand this book you probably should be consulting a hard copy. There are lots of statistics which are hard to keep in your mind as the narration moves along. Murray's theories are interesting and there does not seem to be a political bias behind them because he is a libertarian.I didn't think I would agree with the premises in this book but it is hard to disagree with the two Americas and how we got here that Murray reveals.
Perhaps if someone else wrote this book it could have been better. Murray uses primitive "statistics" combined with the web-delivered census data to try to convince us that smart, white people naturally attract each other, breed and all live in the Northeast and send their kids to Harvard. Unfortunately, he doesn't even begin to understand the most basic ideas of statistics yet he goes on to enlighten us all with his brilliant conclusions from genetics, social science, geography and history to name a few.
It has turned me off to ANYTHING by Charles Murray. I don't see how anything he has written could even remotely be considered controversial given his total lack of even fundamental understanding of anything he writes about. The worst part though is the sickening, sticky-sweet way he shows he is the worst kind of sycophant for the Ivy League.
I didn't really care about the narrator. He was irrelevant except that he was reading garbage.
I would cancel the whole flipping project and give back all the readers and/or audio book listeners their money if I could. The sad thing is that the pseudo-intellectual way Murray presents his work will certainly hook people who are smart enough to be dangerous and buy into the myth of the smartest people going to Ivy League schools. Do yourselves a favor and pass on this book and the completely debunked myths that it try to put in your brain.
I've pretty much summarized my thoughts. Not only am I disappointed in the book I am ashamed of myself for having bought it. I will not ask for a refund because I did, in fact, buy it and was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I have, however, deleted it from my computer, devices and audible account so that it does not somehow get sticky-gross sycophant juice all over everything else.
Faced with mindless duty, when an audio book player slips into a rear pocket and mini buds pop into ears, old is made new again.
Both “Coming Apart” and “Quiet” are disquisitions on America that have an apparent appeal to a consuming audience. “Coming Apart” points to a belief that America has become an aristocracy of education and money. “Quiet” makes the sociological case that human beings are either extroverted or introverted and that extroverts rule American government and business because they talk the most, and argue the best. Both books infer american cultural homogenization.
If Murray is right about the homogenization of American management and Cain is right about being misled by too much extroversion and not enough introversion, maybe America is “Coming Apart”. On the other hand, maybe Murray and Cain are just selling books.
May not leave you feeling upbeat about our nation, but essential to read and understand for anyone who cares about the future of the republic and how to prepare for the future. It will affect how you educate yourself and plan for your children, where you live and your career plans. Stellar research and carefully-reasoned conclusions. 1963 began what is likely the end of America as we think it is, what we wish it to be, as well as any quaint notions we may harbor about our society.
Mark Steyn's End of America comes to mind, as does Huxley's Brave New World
First one. Excellent narration.
The prologue on the world of 1963 and how different our society is today.
Can't stress too strongly that everyone should read and understand this book. It may require the fortitude of a college course, but the rewards are bountiful.
Murray has a thesis - that the upper middle class is evolving into a healthy culture while the working class descends into unhealthy lifestyles - and he defends that thesis convincingly and successfully. This book goes beyond liberal and conservative, and strikes at the ugly heart of something bad that is happening to America.
No other book I've read made me realize so starkly that something was deeply wrong with my culture.
The interview with the single mother in "Fishtown" was heartbreaking.
Yes, but it's too long for that.
too many stats, no real story line
discuss more cause and effect of our society structure
He was fine
the entire part 1
I would have preferred an abridged version of this audiobook. I was occasionally instructed to refer to a figure (presumably a graph, chart, or table) which was irrelevant to me as a listener. Also, when explaining his findings, the author would give percentages of the population who fit into this category or that category. I would have preferred the author to just say that, based on his review of the statistics, these are his assumptions and believes. Then I could have been spared all the statistics. Of course, those people who are interested in the statistics could have purchased the book or an unabridged audio version.
He did a good job.